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Date Posted：05/02/2024 4:52 PMCopy HTML
(NOTE: Comments in green and statement portions added later by myself. Not included in Snowy's post) T7 http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic5750.html Courtesy of thread by Snowy on Maddie Case Files Catriona Baker - last saw MBM before 6 pm on 3rd May, when collected by Kate - Credibility of witness not confirmed (questionable creche records and invitation and trip to Rothley in November after which her Rogatory statement has many 'issues' imo) Cecilia Dias Firmino - saw MBM at breakfast when she worked on Tue, Wed & thurs, but does not specify exactly when seen (Note: conflicting evidence on where breakfast was taken by the family, and when) - Probably mistaken identity as McCanns did not go to breakfast during the week when she was working Charlotte Pennington - told MBM stories and talked to her on 3rd May - Credibility of witness not confirmed (Claims to have seen the twins in their cot and yet early statement says she did not enter apartment.) Elisa Dias Romao - saw MBM every lunchtime, worked Tue, Wed & Thurs - Confusing statement but claims this -On this same day at around 17H30, she remembers that she left the reception to collect her earnings and she does not remember having seen Madeleine or her parents enter or in the interior of the TAPAS. Emma Wilding - saw Gerry book MBM in to creche on the 3rd May and also saw her in the afternoon - Does not know Madeleine well need translation check - When questioned she states that on May 3, 2007 it was the father that took Madeleine, as was customary, between 0900 and 0930; she remembers that she just said “hello” to him, because as Madelede (sic) did not belong to her group she did not talk to him very much. She only noticed Madeleine and not her father, and nothing seemed abnormal or unusual. ? She is not sure whether during the morning Madeleine’s group had outdoor activities, mainly at the pool; she does remember that around 1230 Madelew’s (sic) father went to fetch her for lunch. When questioned, she states that on Wednesday May 2, her group and Madeleine’s group went to the beach, but she is not sure if Madeleine was in the group or not, and does not remember having seen anybody specifically taking direct and close-up photographs of the children. She remembers that during the afternoon of May 3 Madeleine was at the Mini Club, but she does not remember at what time she arrived, and if on that day Madeleine accompanied the other children at 1645 as was customary. She is also not sure whether her parents joined her during the snack, as was customary. Georgina Jackson - gave MBM a tennis lesson with other children on Tue 1st May , 10-11am. - After being shown the younger picture, can it be taken for granted that she would remember Madeleine actually being in the group or did she 'presume'? She relates it was one of the preferred activities of the McCann couple in that they had several lessons throughout the days and up to the date of the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine, it being that the child also had a class, on Tuesday, 1 May (10-11h00), that class [in which] she was among a group of children was conducted by the deponent. Jeronimo Salcedes - bartender, saw MBM on the 3rd May near the restaurant. (note: question about this because although it appears in the 'snippets' post in the staff thread in the Files section, his actual statement saye he couldn't recall having seen them) - Cannot remember seeing her - He saw the missing Madelaine, for the last time, yesterday at 16.45h next to the restaurant; ? In spite of having already observed many photos of Madeleine he claims that he could not state with any certainty that he had seen her at any moment, the same goes for whom he now knows to be her twin siblings. The specifics of his work do not leave him with much time to focus his attention on the children that were around, although as he has stated previously he worked with children of Madeleine’s approximate age for almost four years. Since Madeleine’s disappearance, I have seen her picture many times in the media, but I cannot honestly affirm that I remember seeing her in person before the disappearance from the Ocean Club. There were many children and I never paid much attention to any of them. Maria M A Jose - saw MBM 4.30pm on 3rd May, having tea at the restaurant. - Was mistaken and probably saw Lilly at the creche next to the Tapas after seeing pictures of the missing child on television, that she realised who the girl was, referring to her as Madeleine (the name used by the journalists) remembering only at that moment that she had seen her during the meals provided to the children at the crèche, and which take place at the restaurant where she works and during arrivals at the crèche where Madeleine spent the day, located immediately next to the restaurant.the last time she saw Madeleine was at approximately 16.30 on 3rd May 2007 when she was having dinner with the other children in their part of the restaurant, as she did each day of that week Another example of mistakenly thinking that one of the other tapas children was Madeleine? Others, like Daniel Stuk and several other creche workers, saw MBM during the week, but do not specify days. So, to recap, we have four (or two) members of the catering/bar staff who saw her, three nannies, and one tennis coach. Other Witnesses Bridget O'Donnell Jeremy (Jes/Jez) Wilkins Stephen Carpenter Maria (Cleaner) Daniel Stuk Georgina(Tennis coach) Police Files Goncalo Amaral Not in Files Miguel Matias, manager of the beach-side Paraíso restaurant Alice & ? - Took children sailing May 3rd Catriona Baker - last saw MBM before 6 pm on 3rd May, when collected by Kate Cecilia Dias Firmino - saw MBM at breakfast when she worked on Tue, Wed & thurs, but does not specify exactly when seen (Note: conflicting evidence on where breakfast was taken by the family, and when) Charlotte Pennington - told MBM stories and talked to her on 3rd May Elisa Dias Romao - saw MBM every lunchtime, worked Tue, Wed & Thurs On this same day at around 17H30, she remembers that she left the reception to collect her earnings and she does not remember having seen Madeleine or her parents enter or in the interior of the TAPAS. Witness Statement Elisa Angela Dias Romao Date: 2007.05.09 Time: 11H55 Professions: Reception Worker, Luz Ocean Club That she comes to the process as a witness. The witness works at the Luz Ocean Club, on contract. Her functions include attending to the reception area of the Garden Club (where the Millenium restaurant is found). This is the second period in which she has worked for the LOC, always in the same role. Her days off are Sundays and Mondays. Regarding the investigation, the witness states that she became aware of the same, on Friday. That morning, when she showed up for work, she heard talk that a British child had disappeared the night prior and that since then no one knows of her whereabouts. With relation to the other elements gathered afterwards, the witness confirms that she became aware of them via the media and other talk between the guests and colleagues. She firmly believes that no one knows precisely how everything happened. Regarding the group linked to the couple and the missing child and her two siblings, she only became aware afterwards that Madeleine’s siblings were twins. The witness remembers seeing them in the Garden Club, near the pool and the Tapas restaurant. They appeared a normal family, as did the entire group. She did not notice any strange or suspicious details. When questioned, the witness clarifies that she worked at the Garden Club reception on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays, at a time covering the lunch hour. She remembers seeing the couple with their children as they had to pass the reception to leave the area. She next saw them head in the direction of the apartment where the witness believes they had lunch. She believes that they left always between 12H30 and 13H00. Around 14H00 the couple would return around 14H00, in fact, most of the couples would return their children to the crèche around this time. She does not know if the three McCann children were together given their different ages. When questioned, the witness states that the parents would spend the majority of the time inside the Garden Club, in activities such as playing tennis, as they were a group of four couples (the reservation was always made for 9 adults). They would only all meet together for dinner. The couple would only leave the Garden Club after the children’s tea, which was served by the nannies in that area around 17H00/18H00. It was only after this period that they would leave with the children in the direction of their respective apartments. Questioned, states that she was left with the notion that the four couples always took their children when they went out or that they (the children) never left the area without their parents. Her normal working day was from 09.00 – 17.00 and therefore she was never present when the group was dining. Her working day was normal that day and she did not see anything of interest to the investigation. On this same day at around 17H30, she remembers that she left the reception to collect her earnings and she does not remember having seen Madeleine or her parents enter or in the interior of the TAPAS. She returned to the reception around 19H00 and finished work shortly afterwards. She became aware of the disappearance the next day (Friday) via a colleague. Questioned, she does not remember if this year someone entered the reception or frequented the pool or restaurant without having the authorisation to do so. In past years, namely the past year, various children and adults have entered without authorisation, intending to use the pool. She has never noticed any individuals or vehicles in the immediate areas of the resort that appeared suspicious or abnormal. Likewise, she does not remember anyone questioning her regarding the functioning of the resort or in particular about the functioning of the children’s services. And nothing more was said. Emma Wilding - saw Gerry book MBM in to creche on the 3rd May and also saw her in the afternoon When questioned she states that she knows Madelede’s (sic) parents because although Madeleine is not in her group, she frequently speaks to her parents, and finds their concerns and interests normal and typical of parents. When questioned she states that there are parents that leave their respective children during the whole day and every day at the clubs, and that this is normal within British culture. With respect to Madeleine, she states that she spent most of her time at the Mini Club. The children began arriving at 0900 until 1230 when their respective parents collected them for lunch, and returned at 1430 until 1645 when the Infants’ teachers took the children to eat something appropriate for their age at the Tapas restaurant. Most of the parents met their respective children here, and the children then remained in their parents’ care. When questioned she states that on May 3, 2007 it was the father that took Madeleine, as was customary, between 0900 and 0930; she remembers that she just said “hello” to him, because as Madelede (sic) did not belong to her group she did not talk to him very much. She only noticed Madeleine and not her father, and nothing seemed abnormal or unusual. ? She is not sure whether during the morning Madeleine’s group had outdoor activities, mainly at the pool; she does remember that around 1230 Madelew’s (sic) father went to fetch her for lunch. When questioned, she states that on Wednesday May 2, her group and Madeleine’s group went to the beach, but she is not sure if Madeleine was in the group or not, and does not remember having seen anybody specifically taking direct and close-up photographs of the children. She remembers that during the afternoon of May 3 Madeleine was at the Mini Club, but she does not remember at what time she arrived, and if on that day Madeleine accompanied the other children at 1645 as was customary. She is also not sure whether her parents joined her during the snack, as was customary. During this period of time she did not notice anybody or anything out of the ordinary, as her attention was wholly focused on the children. That night, at around 2200 she learned that Madeleine had disappeared, and together with her colleagues she helped look for her. As regards Madeleine, she did not spent much time with her because she was not in her group; she did not know her well, but Madeleine appeared to be somewhat shy, this was noticeable the first days. Since she met her, she noticed nothing abnormal in any aspect that would point to Madeleine being a child that was out of the ordinary. Georgina Jackson - gave MBM a tennis lesson with other children on Tue 1st May , 10-11am. She relates it was one of the preferred activities of the McCann couple in that they had several lessons throughout the days and up to the date of the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine, it being that the child also had a class, on Tuesday, 1 May (10-11h00), that class [in which] she was among a group of children was conducted by the deponent. Jeronimo Salcedes - bartender, saw MBM on the 3rd May near the restaurant. (note: question about this because although it appears in the 'snippets' post in the staff thread in the Files section, his actual statement saye he couldn't recall having seen them) -------- JERONIMO TOMAS RODRIGUES SALCEDAS (Phone No "91 768 ####) - bartender: - He saw the missing Madelaine, for the last time, yesterday at 16.45h next to the restaurant; - He did not notice if from the group of British citizens (in number 8 or 9) that yesterday dined in restaurant (which was partly made up of the parents of the missing [child]), someone left [absented themself] during such dinner; In spite of having already observed many photos of Madeleine he claims that he could not state with any certainty that he had seen her at any moment, the same goes for whom he now knows to be her twin siblings. The specifics of his work do not leave him with much time to focus his attention on the children that were around, although as he has stated previously he worked with children of Madeleine’s approximate age for almost four years. When asked, he says that many children would be present around the Tapas restaurant during the day, as just outside the restaurant there is a small playground, near to the pool. The presence of children would reduce significantly at night time, also because there were fewer people dining in the restaurant, about 20 – 30 meals were served. remember being at work in the Tapas the night of the disappearance. I also remember the group of adults that holidayed with Madeleine, including the parents as they were frequent Tapas Bar dinner guests. I would normally see them during the day if I went to the complex for a swim, or when they were going to get their children for lunch in the zone next to the Tapas. Nothing in their behavior called my attention. They dined in the restaurant every night from Sunday until Thursday when Madeleine disappeared. The table was booked then for 19H30 to 20H00. It was nine adults in total, four couples and an older woman who was also with them. I always found them educated, good clients. They appeared to get along well amongst each other and each time I served the table they would comment on the food. It was a happy group who would often laugh during dinner. There was a man who particularly stood out from the rest of the group as she spoke a lot and told many jokes. At this time, I did not know who he was, but later found out it was Madeleine McCann’s father. Frequently, when I served the table I noticed that one or two elements of the group had left the restaurant. I could not imagine where they had gone to. After seeing the news stories, I figured that they had gone to check on their children. On some occasions, I also saw some infant monitors on the same table but never related this to the facts. In relation to alcohol consumption, it never appeared to me to be excessive. The wine was included in the dinner at Tapas and the functionaries were very generous in this respect. The permission was approximately one bottler per person . According to what I remember, and relative to the consumption of alcohol, there were seven bottles between the nine adults. I believe that on the first or second night they dined in the Tapas, they drank a bit more, perhaps eight or nine bottles of wine. I believe that they were also offered liquor this night, as they had been such good clients. The behavior of the table did not change the night in questions. If anything, the group jested more than usual but no one appeared drunk. Generally, they left the Tapas at 23h30/midnight, at times together and at other times in small groups. On the night in which they drank more than usual, they left a bit later, perhaps towards 00h30-01h00. I remember this detail because I was supposed to finish work at 00H00 and I wanted to go home. They always left on good terms and always wished the staff good night. On the night Madeleine disappeared, everything appeared normal. I remember that when I took notice of the disappearance, I had been in the restaurant speaking with my two colleagues—Ze and Ricardo who were on break. I returned to the restaurant and noticed that the table of nine was empty with the exception of the older woman. I went over to the table and joked with her: “They’ve left you alone?” She responded more of less with these words: “No, they went to see if the little girl was there.” I responded that I hoped they would find her somewhere in the apartment. At saying this, I saw the man. Who I knew later to be Madeleine’s father, running to the pool and to the children’s play area in the Tapas zone as if looking for someone. It immediately hit me that after talking to the older woman, that the little girl had not been found. I offered to alert the workers at the Milenium Restaurant and the man agreed. He then left again running to continue searching. I believe that this was between 21H30 and 22H00 but do not remember with certainty. I went to find Ze and Ricardo to give them the news and to get their help in searching for the missing girl. I saw the head of the Milenium Restaurant in the Tapas and asked him to telephone the restaurant. I ran out of the Tapas and noticed that some of the childcare works of the Mark Warner had begun to arrive. At the point I left the Tapas I heard a scream from a woman I did not know. I do not know who screamed, but I had never heard a similar cry. I cannot even describe it but thought it had come from the child’s mother. I went to the reception with one of the child care workers whose name I do not remember. One of the employees looked to be organizing the searches and told us the name of the child. We were sent to the beach zone and looked in all the alleys and called out the name of the child but did not find her. Later, we returned to the Tapas where we found John, the Manager of Mark Warner. There were many people now, perhaps 40 including the Mark Warner personnel. We were divided into groups and Ewan and Rob (both employed by Mark Warner), my cousin, Miguel, and I went in a Mark Warner vehicle to search a beach zone which included a construction site. Again, we did not see any signs of the child and after a telephone we returned to the Tapas. At this point more people were at the location, including residents of Praia da Luz. A man named Matt who owned a club in the locale, seemed to now be the operational front. A big part of our group was sent to the beach; we formed a sort of human extension cord in our searches. We finally returned to the Tapas around 04H00. We were sent home at the time. I do not know when the police were called but the first time I saw them was around 23h00-23h00 that night. Since Madeleine’s disappearance, I have seen her picture many times in the media, but I cannot honestly affirm that I remember seeing her in person before the disappearance from the Ocean Club. There were many children and I never paid much attention to any of them. Maria M A Jose - saw MBM 4.30pm on 3rd May, having tea at the restaurant. The cook at the tapas was one of the 'credible' witnesses that 'saw' Madeleine at 16.30 Thursday May 3. Something I have just noticed regarding the statement of Maria Manuela Antonia José Tapas Cook who has been considered as a reliable witness seeing Madeleine at 16.30 on May 3rd. Reading her statement she refers to recognising Madeleine from the photo (of younger Madeleine)  seeing her during the day in the creche next to the restaurant (tapas) Madeleine was not in that creche...but L***y was! Quote: Dave would take L*** over to the kids club which was back near the, behind the Tapas Bar area”. after seeing pictures of the missing child on television, that she realised who the girl was, referring to her as Madeleine (the name used by the journalists) remembering only at that moment that she had seen her during the meals provided to the children at the crèche, and which take place at the restaurant where she works and during arrivals at the crèche where Madeleine spent the day, located immediately next to the restaurant.the last time she saw Madeleine was at approximately 16.30 on 3rd May 2007 when she was having dinner with the other children in their part of the restaurant, as she did each day of that week Another example of mistakenly thinking that one of the other tapas children was Madeleine? --------------------------------------------- (Date Posted:04/29/2010 11:50 AM) There are many people who claim to have seen Madeleine during the week of the holiday, up to and including May 3rd. After scrutinising the statements in general, there are many discrepancies that appear to start earlier in the week and for this reason I am of the opinion that Madeleine may have died (or became fatally ill) earlier than May 3rd. Many of the witness statements that claim to have seen her are non specific, whether by date or no details confirming it was Madeleine. The possibility of some of these witnesses being mistaken is quite high. One of the other T7 children was very similar in age and appearance and not only COULD have been mistaken as being Maddie but it was probably this little girl that WAS mistaken for her..   Revealed: Gerry McCann's last dance with little MadeleineLast updated at 18:26 19 September 2007 A restaurant owner who is one of the last people to have seen Madeleine McCann yesterday told how she danced with her father on the seafront just hours before she vanished. Miguel Matias, who has never spoken before, said the McCanns seemed a perfectly normal family and there was nothing to hint at the tragedy to come. Kate and Gerry McCann, the children and their holiday friends spent an hour at restaurant Paraiso on the beach of Praia da Luz, where the youngsters ate their dinner. Scroll down for more ...  The last picture of Madeleine taken with Gerry and Amelie by the pool Mr McCann played with his eldest daughter in the sand in front of the balcony and pushed her on a swing before calling her to the table for food and an ice-cream. Mr Matias said: "It was a perfectly normal, relaxed, happy, family scene. The little girl was even dancing on the esplanade with her dad to the sound of music that was playing. "We couldn't believe it when we found out what had happened because nothing we saw gave any sign of what was coming. "We didn't see anyone suspicious looking at the girl or the people on the other tables. Nor did we see anything out of the ordinary between the families and the children.' Mr Matias's evidence confirms Madeleine was alive and well at 6pm, when the family left the restaurant.  Hoping to turn the tide of suspicion: Kate McCann yesterday Previously 2.29pm has been the latest time known to the general public, when the last photograph of her was taken as she played in the pool with her father and sister Amelie. Mr Matias handed over CCTV footage of the McCanns to police a few days after Madeleine's disappearance. It is not clear whether detectives were given the CCTV hard-drive or copies of the images. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1563557/Madeleine-McCanns-last-dance-with-father.html Madeleine McCann's last dance with fatherBy Caroline Gammell in Praia da Luz Published: 4:24PM BST 19 Sep 2007  Maddy has been missing since May Madeleine McCann spent the last few hours before she disappeared dancing with her father Gerry on the beach, a restaurant owner has recalled. The four-year-old was seen enjoying ice-cream and fruit juice alongside her family in Praia da Luz on May 3. He said she enjoyed an early evening meal with her father, mother Kate and younger twin brother and sister, two-year-old’s Sean and Amelie. They were joined by several friends and their children as they sat on outdoor tables at the restaurant. "It was a perfectly normal, relaxed, happy, family scene," said Mr Matias. "The little girl was even dancing on the esplanade with her dad to the sound of music that was playing." The restaurateur said he was stunned when he realised it was Madeleine who was missing. "We couldn’t believe it when we found out what had happened because nothing we saw gave any hint of the coming tragedy," he said. "We didn’t see anyone suspicious looking at the girl or the people on the other tables. "Nor did we see anything out of the ordinary between the families and the children." After Madeleine disappeared, Mr Matias realised he was one of the last people to see the little girl. He contacted the Portuguese police and handed over CCTV footage of the family spending their last few happy hours at his restaurant. Other reasons to question my thoughts are that Catriona Baker, Madeleine's nanny claims to have been with her right up until Thursday 3rd The creche records show she was in the creche every day, apparently dropped of by her parents but there are many questions surrounding the validity of these forms  The police files and Goncalo Amaral report with apparent certainty that Madeleine was seen on May 3rd. I have to question whether there is requirement for them not to deviate from the times stated by witnesses as the statements are to be considered truthful and exact until a court proves otherwise. Opinions would be subject to libel and therefore they are limited to contain the thesis to within the boundaries of witness statements. Their 'proof' of an alternative scenario may be held within 'evidence' that is not admissible in court such as mobile phone interceptions or files that are not released to the public. Charlotte Pennington is considered as one of the last people to see her but her statements and articles are so full of discrepancies as to not be close to reliable. Other nannies and OC staff may have mistaken the other tapas child for Madeleine. their statements show nothing to indicate it was definitely Madeleine. One cleaner described the family and Madeleine leaving their apartment and this, to me is one of the few credible sightings of Madeleine but it dates back to Sunday April 29th. Georgina the tennis coach may be credible, and, although she refers to Madeleine it is possible she was just informed that she was (supposedly) in the tennis class on Tuesday morning. (Message edited by TinLizzy On 04/29/2010 12:17 PM) ------------------ (Date Posted:04/29/2010 7:24 PM) Processos Vol II p. 253-256 Catriona Treasa Sisile Baker Childcare Worker Time/Date: 18H36 2007/05/06 British Citizen Translated by Robert Murat --She came to Portugal on the 21st of March of the current year; this is her first visit to Portugal. --She came to Portugal with the purpose of exercising the profession of childcare worker under a contract signed with “ Markwarner”. --Her contract began on the 21st of March and ends on the 07th of November, 2007, the time when she intends to return to her home country. --She further specifies that the abovementioned firm has a contract with the “Ocean Club” resort to provide a childcare service to its guests. --Also specifies that in the tourist complex, this service is offered in four different locations, to suit different age groups. --Children between the age of 4 months and 1 year are assigned to the “Baby Club” – the service operates next to the Ocean Club’s main reception; for children between the age of 1 and 2 – “Toddler” - this service is located in a building close to the Tapas restaurant; for children between the age of 3 and 5—“Mini”- this service is equally located next to the Ocean Club’s main reception; and last, for children between the age of 6 and 9 and between the age of 10 and 13 - “Junior Kids” – the service operates in a space located near the Millennium restaurant. --The operating hours of these fours services is from 09H00 to 12H30, in the morning, and from 14H30 to 17H30, in the afternoon. --She adds that there is another service that is offered during dinner time called “Dining Out Service”, which is also located above the Ocean Club’s main reception, and operates from 19H30 until 23H30. --There is also a “Babysitting” service, which runs from 19H30 to 01H00, and is carried out in the apartment of the requesting guests; --The witness mentions that as a nanny she works at all the above mentioned locations, because like all of her colleagues, she is subject to a rotating schedule, which means that they change the physical location and the age group of the children that they look after, on a weekly basis. --Clarifies that her functions include the need to create the weekly activities’ plan for the children that are under her care, namely the outdoors activities, like sailing, swimming, tennis, and beach and garden visits. --Specifies that when looking after children of the missing girl’s age group, each nanny is responsible for approximately seven children, that remain under the care of the same nanny during the whole week. --States that she knows the McCann family since last Sunday, the 29th of April, 2007, when they enrolled their daughter in the “Minis” service. --She replies that since that date and until Thursday, the 03rd of May, 2007, she was with Madeleine every day, but is unable to specify if she was present on the Sunday morning. --Since the beginning, when she received the little girl, it appeared to her that her parents were affable and showed their interest in her well being, as they cared to inquire what Madeleine did and even accompanied some of the child’s outdoors activities. --Concerning the little girl, she states that she was a quite active and sociable child, who nevertheless paid most of her attention to the children of her own group (Lobster Team). --Refers that only on the first day she was more reluctant to remain in that [word is missing] --She further refers that during the time lapse that Madeleine remained under her care, at no time did the little girl seem sad or unsatisfied, having produced no comments whatsoever about being angry, sad about anyone or discontented at anything. --She equally refers that Madeleine was an extremely obedient child, who never left the group. She was not a child that would speak to strangers. --It was always Madeleine’s parents that would bring her to and fetch her from the “Minis”. --She replies that within the exercise of her functions, both inside the building and outdoors (above specified activities), she never noticed anyone suspiciously observing the children under her care. She didn’t notice anyone taking pictures of the children, namely of Madeleine. --She refers that her colleagues never mentioned anything concerning their children, either. --The deponent mentions that following Madeleine’s disappearance, she didn’t see or hear anything, no plausible reason that could explain what caused said disappearance. --Finally, she mentions that she has been in this line of work for a number of years, through the firm that hired her, in various countries. She had never witnessed an event of this type. --The deponent adds that since she has been in Portugal, and apart from English citizens who are her colleagues, she has met people outside of the tourist resort, some of Portuguese nationality but mainly English people, and she often goes out at night to enjoy herself. --During those times of socialising/going out, nobody ever questioned her about her profession, or about the children under her care, or the McCann family in particular. --Having nothing further to add, reads, ratifies and signs her statement. CARTAS ROGATORIAS 5 Pages 3 to 6 LEICESTERSHIRE POLICE SQUAD WITNESS TESTIMONY OF CATRIONA SISILE BAKER Occupation: Childcare worker This statement, consisting of four pages, each signed by me, is true to the best of my knowledge and belief and I make it knowing that, if it is tendered in evidence, I shall be liable to prosecution if I have willfully states in it anything I know to be false or do not believe to be true. Date: 14 of April, 2008 Signature: I am the above referenced person and live in the address previously given to the police. I offer this testimony in relation to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. I would like to clarify that I am not totally aware of the events as so much time has passed since the incident. I work in childcare – I was contracted by Mark Warner in June of 2006. The first time I went to Portugal was the 21st of March 2006 where I worked as a childcare worker in the Ocean Club Village, Praia da Luz. I went to a work interview and was contracted for one year by Mark Warner in June of 2006. There are a number of infant clubs in the Ocean Club resort, where the children are grouped together by age. The work in the clubs is rotated and the functionaries are changed over weekly. If a family is staying for a period longer than one week, I would stay at the same club to continue taking care of their children. The child is delivered in the morning by one of the parents who also picks him or her up at lunch time. Some of the children return for the afternoon session which includes accompanying them to “high tea” at around 5H in the afternoon. The age requirements of the various clubs are 3-11 months (baby Club), 12-23 months (Toddler Club), 24 months to 3 years (Toddler 2 Club), 3 to 5 years of age (Mini Club), 6 years to 9 years of age (Juniors Club), 10 years to 15 years of age (Kids Club) and from 14 to 17 years of age (Indies Club). The Baby Club and the Mini Club are situated directly on top of the 24-hour reception. The Toddler Club is located close to the tapas Bar and the others close to the “Millenium” Restaurant. There were about 16 childcare workers during my stay at the club. I was lodged in the white and blue building, about 10 minutes on foot from the Mark Warner village and my place of work. I got to know Gerry and Kate McCann on the Sunday morning, 29.04.2007, in the Minis Club. They brought the children and as it was their first day of holidays the normal procedure was that they were allocated a childcare worker. I had previously written the children’s bracelets which included their name, allergies and relevant information. I stayed with Madeleine, 3 years old, in my group (Minis Club that week) together with E***, daughter of Jane Tanner. Either Kate or Gerry would accompany Madeleine every day in the morning and would return at lunch hour to take her back. I met Gerry more often as he would drop Madeleine off with greater frequency than Kate. (Note: Gerry dropped off and picked Madeleine up mostly at the beginnning of the week , Kate did the same later in the week - a comparable amout of times ) I also remember that Kate was present for High Tea accompanied by the twins between 5H and 5H30 in the afternoon. Most of the time in which I saw the family together, the children would be eating. The twins appeared tired at lunch, after a long day and also perhaps due to the heat, but I never became preoccupied by the children of by the comportment of the McCanns. I never saw Kate or Gerry in a car in Portugal. I visited the family in their home at their invitation to see how they were getting along in November of 2007. That was the first time I saw them in a car. On Thursday the 3rd of May 2007, I remember Gerry having accompanied Madeleine to the club between 9h15 and 9h20 in the morning. (9.10 GM) I do not remember who came to pick her up for lunch (12.25 KM) but after she returned in the afternoon (2.50 KM) for a dive/swim. These activities were realized with the other children. On this day I remember that we sailed and I saw friends of the McCanns on the beach, David and Jane. (Fiona? Jane playing tennis and watching the mini tennis at 10.30am according to Russell - Jane claims they were both at the beach and saw Madeleine and Ella at kids club sailing) Around 14h45 Madeleine returned to the Minis Club on top of the reception but I do not remember who accompanied her.(2.50 KM) This afternoon we went swimming. Kate went (NOTE: Went refers to someone 'going' as opposed to 'arriving' Translation maybe?) to get Madeleine from the Tapas Bar area and according to what I remember she was wearing sporting clothes and I assumed that she was practicing some form of athletics. It was around 15h25/18h00. (5.25-600?) I think that Gerry was playing tennis. On the 3rd of May, 2007, Kate and Gerry did not demonstrate any unusually comportment—they seemed friendly and happy. When I finished work that day, I headed for home. Some of my colleagues were going out but I was very tired and did not accompany them. I stayed in the apartment with my friend Rhiannon Fretter and we went to sleep. Two colleagues later returned to the apartment. I was confused and did not understand was happening. They eventually explained to me what had occurred around 22h30-22h35. Emma Wilding told me that Madeleine has disappeared. Leanne Wagstaff also was present. I helped in the searches near the beach and after returned to the meeting point in the Tapas bar. The director indicated to us where to search; we looked in all areas. I searched on foot the majority of streets where Madeleine had passed and may have been familiar to her. I also searched the streets of the Tapas Bar, to the Minis Club, and of the Minis toward the beach looking between zones in the beach where she may have had access. All seemed to be concentrated on searches on the beach. I did not see Kate or Gerry that night. The next time I saw them was on Saturday at breakfast, as on Friday I spent most of the morning with the Portuguese police giving a statement. NOTE: Catriona statement above was on Sunday Catriona Treasa Sisile Baker Childcare Worker Time/Date: 18H36 2007/05/06 On Saturday I was next to the tapas Bar zone when Gerry and Kate appeared. They were still agitated and anxious for news. I never noted anything strange in Madeleine’s comportment during the time I stayed with her. There was one occasion, on Thursday, 3rd of May 2007, around 10H30 in the morning, where she cried at the launch of the yellow safety boat in the ocean where all the children were sailing. She was scared and fearful and cried on my lap “I am scared, I am scared.” We only used the launches to transport the children to the small yellow boats. When we returned to the other boat she was happy again. She sailed in the small boat and even though some children had the opportunity to return to the port, she stayed for a second time as she appeared to be having a good time. Jane Tanner’s daughter also took part in my group and together they would play. Apart from being a happy child in the club, she always seemed very content when she saw her parents. Madeleine did not demonstrate any fear with the return launch to land. Madeleine never mentioned that she had cried in the absence of her parents nor did she tell me anything of significance relating to feeling sad or something relevant that would cause me to worry. Mark Warner has a standard procedure, the signature on a page when a parent leaves or checks-in a child. There is a separate page for the morning and one for the afternoon. (Translation? eg separate area?) The page contains the name of the child, the hour of sign-in and the hour of pick-up for the afternoon. Only the parents have authority to take the children, except when there is some other agreement. When Gerry and Kate came to pick up Madeleine there were loving and the child would run into their arms. Mark Warner maintained a register to all the activities in which the children participated. It functioned as a calendar, referring hour by hour, to what the children were doing. I believe that the Portuguese police collected the sign-in/out sheets and the registry of activities immediately on the day following the disappearance. I would say that Madeleine adored her family; she seemed happy as they did in the club. During the week which Madeleine stayed in the club there were three events organized that included a trip to the beach. One of these events took place on Thursday in the morning, as referred to previously. Another of these events consisted of a trip to the beach with “hula hoops”, shovels and buckets, etc, and the other trip to the beach was in order to eat ice cream. Together, the trips to the beach took place in the afternoon but I cannot state precisely which days. There should be a recording of this in the Mark Warner registers. During these trips to the beach I never noticed anything untoward given that my attention was on the children in my charge. Mark Warner moved me from the Ocean Club about one week after—13th of May, I believe. I was interviewed on DVD, by DC GIERC of the Leicestershire Police between 10h09 and 10h54 on Monday, 14th of April of 2008 in the Leicestershire police headquarters. I can affirm that ,y statement on DVD is truthful and in accord with my understanding. Between 11h57 and 12h12 of the same day I was again interviewed on DVD by DC GIERC. During this interview I was permitted to refresh my memory after reading my translated original statement made to the Portuguese police. There are two facts that I would like to clarify: “dining out service” which is mentioned is available for the adults, being that the children would be left under the care of a childcare worker during dinner. My original deposition also mentioned that Madeleine offered more attention to the boys in the club. I do not remember having made such an affirmation given that Madeleine passed the majority of time playing with Jane Tanner’s daughter. I confirm that the deposition in this second DVD is truthful and in accord with my knowledge and that it will be registered. Between 13h35 and 13h45 of the same day I was once again interviewed by DC GIERC. One more time I confirm that my statement is true and in accord with my understanding. This statement is truthful and in accord with my understanding.
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/ Catriona Treasa Sisile Baker Childcare Worker Time/Date: 18H36 2007/05/06 --Specifies that when looking after children of the missing girl’s age group, each nanny is responsible for approximately seven children, that remain under the care of the same nanny during the whole week. --States that she knows the McCann family since last Sunday, the 29th of April, 2007, when they enrolled their daughter in the “Minis” service. --She replies that since that date and until Thursday, the 03rd of May, 2007, she was with Madeleine every day, but is unable to specify if she was present on the Sunday morning. --Since the beginning, when she received the little girl, it appeared to her that her parents were affable and showed their interest in her well being, as they cared to inquire what Madeleine did and even accompanied some of the child’s outdoors activities. --Concerning the little girl, she states that she was a quite active and sociable child, who nevertheless paid most of her attention to the children of her own group (Lobster Team). --Refers that only on the first day she was more reluctant to remain in that [word is missing] --She further refers that during the time lapse that Madeleine remained under her care, at no time did the little girl seem sad or unsatisfied, having produced no comments whatsoever about being angry, sad about anyone or discontented at anything. SAILING? --She equally refers that Madeleine was an extremely obedient child, who never left the group. She was not a child that would speak to strangers. --It was always Madeleine’s parents that would bring her to and fetch her from the “Minis”. T7 Catriona Baker Cecilia Dias Firmino Charlotte Pennington Elisa Dias Romao Emma Wilding Georgina Jackson Jeronimo Salcedes Maria M A Jose Other Witnesses Bridget O'Donnell Jeremy (Jes/Jez) Wilkins Stephen Carpenter Maria (Cleaner) Daniel Stuk Georgina(Tennis coach) Police Files Goncalo Amaral Not in Files Miguel Matias, manager of the beach-side Paraíso restaurant Alice & ? - Took children sailing May 3rd (Message edited by TinLizzy On 05/27/2010 10:35 PM) ----------------------------------- (Date Posted:05/27/2010 10:31 PM) Witness Statement Maria Manuela Antonia José Date: 06 – 05 - 2007 Place of Work: OC She has worked at the OC, since 25 March 2006, in Luz, as a cook in one of the restaurants within the complex, called the Tapas Restaurant. With relation to the facts being investigated, she confirms that on the 4 May 2007, at about 18h30, when arriving for work at the complex, she heard from her supervisor, Steve, that a female child who was staying with her parents and siblings at one of the OC apartments had gone missing on the previous day (3rd May 2007). When she was informed about the disappearance she did not realise which child this was, it was only later, upon watching the television news that night and after seeing pictures of the missing child on television, that she realised who the girl was, referring to her as Madeleine (the name used by the journalists) remembering only at that moment that she had seen her during the meals provided to the children at the crèche, and which take place at the restaurant where she works and during arrivals at the crèche where Madeleine spent the day, located immediately next to the restaurant. Upon questioning, the witness confirms that on the day of the disappearance, she worked at the restaurant from 10h00 to 18h45, when, having finished her shift, she went home, where she remained with her 13 year old son until approximately 10h00 the following day (4th May). On 4th May 2007, due to the fact that she had a medical appointment at the Lagos Health Centre followed by an appointment at the Portimão Court at 15h00, she only began work at 18h30 (dinner service, which lasts until 24h00). With relation to the facts being investigated, she only knows what she heard from the media or from conversations with her colleagues. Upon questioning, she states that the last time she saw Madeleine was at approximately 16.30 (4.30pm? or 5.30pm?) on 3rd May 2007 when she was having dinner with the other children in their part of the restaurant, as she did each day of that week. She information that it of use to the investigation, and has nothing more to add, but repeats that the girl was with her parents on holiday at the resort, together with her two twin siblings. She has no knowledge of any suspicious situation. Reads, ratifies and signs. ------ (Date Posted:05/29/2010 8:39 PM) @Eddie........So she was, without doubt, seen on the 3rd?? answer: no http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-487506/Revealed-The-nanny-help-clear-McCanns-name.html The Mail on Sunday has also learned that within 24 hours of that interview Ms Baker was dispatched by Mark Warner to take up a new position in the Greek resort of San Agostino along with four other members of staff. They were all linked to the seven holidaymakers who had eaten in the resort's tapas restaurant with Kate and Gerry McCann on the night of Madeleine's disappearance. It is believed Ms Baker has since been reinterviewed by both British and Portuguese police but she has been told not to comment on the investigation. The young nanny, described as 'fun and vivacious', has been deeply affected by Madeleine's disappearance, telling friends of nights without sleep and a complete loss of appetite. Writing to one concerned friend nine days after Madeleine disappeared, she admitted: 'I was her nanny, so it's been tough for me, you wouldn't recognise me. 'It's hit me so hard I've hardly slept or eaten. My mum came to see me, but transferring me to "San Ag" has put me back at stage one as I am so stressed again. it is my opinion CB was 'leant on'. ---- (Date Posted:06/01/2010 7:59 AM) http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post114939.html#p114939 Post subject: Re: Madeleine was not seen alive on 3rd May  Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 9:48 am
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Re：Title: Who Saw Madeleine?- Credibility & Statement Highlights Date Posted：05/02/2024 4:52 PMCopy HTML (Date Posted:06/03/2010 4:15 AM)
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Processos, Volume III
Pages 794 to 795
Witness statement
Paula Cristina da Costa Vieira
Date : 2007.05.09
Time: 12H10
Place: Lagos
Name: Paula Cristina da Costa Vieira
Profession: Cleaning Staff
When she saw her photograph, and saw the images of the parents, she did remember having seen them, about two times—the child in question and her family when they were leaving the Millenium Club breakfast (around 9h30/10H00) and only because this was her time to the clean the reception of the establishment.
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Re:Who Saw Madeleine?- Credibility & Statement Highlights
(Date Posted:06/03/2010 4:17 AM)
Processos Vol III
Pages 697 – 699
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Sandra Maria Dos Santos Lourenco Murtinheira
Date: 2007-05-08
Occupation: Cleaner
Regarding the missing child, the witness believes that she may have seen her walking with one of the nannies. However, there are many families with children, and it is normal to see the children with their nannies carrying out their activities.
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Re:Who Saw Madeleine?- Credibility & Statement Highlights
(Date Posted:06/03/2010 4:30 AM)
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. She affirms that she saw Madeleine McCann once when she arrived during the week, but that she did not know, as the deponent was working only with the Toddler group;
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Re:Who Saw Madeleine?- Credibility & Statement Highlights
(Date Posted:06/04/2010 11:58 AM)
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When questioned she states that on May 3, 2007 it was the father that took Madeleine, as was customary, between 0900 and 0930; she remembers that she just said “hello” to him, because as Madelede (sic) did not belong to her group she did not talk to him very much.
She only noticed Madeleine and (not) her father, and nothing seemed abnormal or unusual.
She is not sure whether during the morning Madeleine’s group had outdoor activities, mainly at the pool; she does remember that around 1230 Madelew’s (sic) father went to fetch her for lunch.
When questioned, she states that on Wednesday May 2, her group and Madeleine’s group went to the beach, but she is not sure if Madeleine was in the group or not, and does not remember having seen anybody specifically taking direct and close-up photographs of the children.
She remembers that during the afternoon of May 3 Madeleine was at the Mini Club, but she does not remember at what time she arrived, and if on that day Madeleine accompanied the other children at 1645 as was customary.
She is also not sure whether her parents joined her during the snack, as was customary.
She claims she saw Madeleine's father drop her off but also that he picked her up!
It was Kate who 'supposedly' picked her up with Fiona on Thursday.
Does she have the day wrong?
The only days that Gerry picked Madeleine up was Monday and Tuesday!
She also claims the children went to the beach on Wednesday May 2nd. It was raining on Wednesday so they did not go. |
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Re：Title: Who Saw Madeleine?- Credibility & Statement Highlights Date Posted：05/02/2024 4:53 PMCopy HTML (Date Posted:06/10/2010 5:21 AM)
Catriona is crucial to determine that Madeleine was alive during the day and as improbable as it may seem that she was not entirely truthful about her statement I have tried to look at the possibilities that could lead to her statement not being entirely credible.
This topic is something I haven't yet figured out exactly in my mind but I try to keep a few things in mind.
Firstly, this is a case like no other and ANYTHING is possible.
Secondly, its very easy to make 'assumptions'.
We presume that each time a child is taken to the creche that the nanny stops what she is doing, goes over, helps sign the child in and takes them with her to engage in the activities.
Is it possible the book is left open for the parents to sign and they send their child in to join with the others with no acknowledgment, necessarily, from the nannies.
On Tuesday, ROB walked to the creche with Gerry to pick Madeleine and E**a up, yet he didn't sign the register. Only one child was booked out.
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In the afternoon both children were booked in at 2.30 Gerry signed Madeleine in and CAT signed in E**a at the same time. Madeleine was not signed out that afternoon and E**a was signed out by ROB.
Apart from Cat signing, it appears only one child could have been present.
CAT has said that she does not remember who picked Madeleine up and dropped her off on Thursday, so is it possible the forms could be filled in without her knowledge?
I don't like going the 'substitution' directon but is it at least POSSIBLE that Gerry signed the register at 9.00am ROB signed at 9.30 but only one child went into the creche.
They both went to pick up the creche but only one child emerged and Gerry signed for 'her'.
CAT recognised ROB to pick up E**a but Gerry signed the form without her knowing.
At 2.30 Gerry signed the register for Madeleine and somehow CAT realised E**a was there and signed her in, not realising that Madeleine wasn't there.
At 5.00 at the high tea ROB signed E**a out and no-one signed Madeleine out.
During the week and before there was any issue about a police investigation, how observant was Catriona?
She arrived at work, had 7 children in her care
LOBSTERS
Madeleine McCann
Ella O'Brien
Jessica Berry
Elizabeth Naylor
Alexander Mann
William Totman
Tia Patel
Unlike school, where children arrive routinely, they were dropped off at odd times and often did not go to the creche every day.
She looked after these children 5 days prior to the disappearance.
There was no 'routine' check of who was there and who was missing. It was random.
5 girls and two boys.
If Madeleine was not there, would she have noticed or quesioned?
Each day would have been another day at work after the night before.
Did she scrutinise the registration form to make sure that everyone was present as in a school atmosphere?
Is it possible that (if something happened) that Gerry was able to manipulate her in some way? She would not have known, at that point, the implications.
Each day, to her, would have been just another day with whichever children showed up.
After the disappearance, and in retrospect, she may have realised that she was not as vigilant as maybe she should have been and her first thought may have been to cover herself, just to keep her job if nothing else.
We don't know exactly what the creche scenario was, but we do know that she met up with Kate and Gerry the day before her May 6th statement. (coincidence?)
She was 'invited' and attended a meeting with them in Rothley in November (when were the Rogatory interviews initiated?)
She was 'removed' from Praia da Luz the following Friday and sent to Greece (I think?)
She suffered depression because of what happened (I believe)
She was an innocent party, a young girl who went to Portugal for the summer to combine work with a holiday abroad and became (through no fault of her own) involved in one of the biggest and strangest investigations that she could comprehend. |
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