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We allow open debate in this group, sometimes it's heated debate because we allow people from all sides and some of them are very passionate. Yet oddly there are some people who like to come here for their own sport and try to disrupt the debate. It is a shame because people will always get the answers to their questions in this group. I find it very odd that people complain about the name of our group when the majority of the time we are debating topics related to the madele...

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Over the decades there have been many banned books. From Hitler's controversial 'Mien Kampf', Salman Rushdie's 'Satantic Verses' to school syllabus favourites such as 'To Kill a Mockingbird'. These books go on to be very popular because they were banned.

Will Amaral's 'A Verdade da Mentira' go the same way?

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Did anyone see this? I rarely use public transport so I missed it

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Just a few pages of comments from hideho appalling these brainwashed morons are still believing it went in favour of amaral and that the mccanns are lying. They have so little facts about the case it's unreal

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  • Ruth Heinrich It's you lot that are brainwashed morons with nothing better to do! Your not aloud an opinion on this group without being shot down. You need to change this groups name because once you try to even have a debate and it's not what you agree with its either deleted or your abused! Rude people. I don't care if evidence suggest they didn't do it but I believe they did! And I don't give a shit if I get deleted from this group or not.
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  • Kelly Louise Cozens If the police believed it they would of been brought in no one is above the law many highly successful people with friends in high places have been prosecuted and for something as serious as being alleged they would of been there isn't one shred of evidence to convict them
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  • Kelly Louise Cozens Susie Perrins I notices that massive Contradiction
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  • Kelly Louise Cozens How can u say evidence suggests they didn't so what your saying is you know that there's no evidence but u believe they still did! Let's hope you are never finding yourself in a situation where you are innocent and yet being blamed despite the evidence showing you didnt
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  • Ronald Sandison What is it with all the pro mccanns thinking this court decision somehow proves they are innocent...it dosn't !!
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  • Cheryl Baskeyfield Ruth is entitled to her opinion and to prove her wrong I hope Admin don't delete her comments or boot her , just don't turn it into a personal slagging off post , we a see different sides , me , I was suspicious from the beginning , ready to think the worst of them and disgusted at the way maddie came to be taken, they have to live with that decision for the rest of their lives , then I started looking at it from a different point and stopped believing every bad report I read , fence sitter , now I don't believe they deliberately caused the disappearance of their daughter and they certainly had no hand in her death if it turns out she is !! This is so so tragic a little girl is missing but the adults seem to think it's all about them ! And I don't just mean the mcanns I mean in general , everyone seems to think it's only their opinion that counts ! This little girl has captured our hearts whatever "side" we're on and she's the one that matters in the end .
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  • Kelly Louise Cozens Worse comment I've seen today look at this I'm gonna post
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  • Kelly Louise Cozens Adam cobb thinks it's funny to make poems about a innocent child
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  • Pamela Gurney where are you seeing these vile creatures Kelly?
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  • Kelly Louise Cozens On the comments of newspapers and news sites pam 
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  • Pamela Gurney Yes exactly it is down to Lizzy and her Satellites! They have compounded this awful malicious internet abuse of these parents. Cruel and heartless.
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  • Kelly Louise Cozens The top ones are from hideho
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  • Pamela Gurney The top ones came from HiDeHo herself Kelly or her group members?
  • Fiona Ryan that poem is vile and disgusting, they should try to imagine their own children missing before they open their very nasty mouths.. I feel sick reading that.. horrible vile person.
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  • Christine Kelman How sick and heartless to write a poem about a dead child. Still it takes all sorts to make a world and some people are numb to anyone else's feelings. I pity them.
  • Pamela Gurney We don't know Madeleine is dead either Christine but whatever the truth...these people are way out of control with their hate and sickness of mind.
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  • Christine Kelman So true Pam
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  • Fiona Ryan whats really irking me at the moment is how quickly Amaral jumped out to publicise how he thought he done brilliant at the trial, when they were discussing points of proven or not proven, and all the Anti's gloated to the end, but because the McCanns have won and it is in the press they vilify them yet again.
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  • Kelly Louise Cozens Exactly fiona
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  • Kelly Louise Cozens He was oh so smug bet he ain't smiling now
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  • Pamela Gurney Oh yes I remember it well! I watched him on the documentary and read the faces of the audience who clearly didn't like him. Then I read the gloating of the antis and felt they may live to rue the day they supported this man. They will go down fighting though. What a load of chumps they are.
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  • Cheryl Baskeyfield What a disgusting little shit he is!!!
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  • Karen Miller That is sick!!!! Vile scum!!
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  • Fiona Ryan he bulked it up to get his supporters fired up, and then goes missing and leaves them with nothing but confusion, he is like a leader to the misbegotten, they are very deflated and angry, as you can see by the comments above.... they need to sit down a re-evaluate their thoughts, because implosion is definite.
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  • Pamela Gurney He won't put his head above the parapet again for many a long day.
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  • Anthony Clark I must keep up with the times and get one of these twatter accounts. My partners just the same, in the changeover from "My Space" to "Facebook" she posted, asking the question, "Would anyone like to come on my Face?" She got over 20,000 likes. You kids and your hophip music. I can't keep up with these new fangled trends. 
  • Martina McCosker I personally dont believe the Mc Canns are telling the truth, but I find that poem appalling
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So finally the book of fiction, lies and misinformation that had been proven to cause harm and that has been proven to potentially harm the McCann children (although not harmed them YET) has FINALLY been banned. Hurrah !!!! It only took 6 years! So now everyone (except the author obviously) is happy! Wrong! Not only are some anti-Madeleine campaigners distraught, angry, upset and reacting irrationally or hysterically BUT they have preempted Gonzo's next move, who so far has ...

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Lizzy re-appeared 10 minutes ago with this...not much new there then:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/HiDeHoCONTROVERSYofMadeleineMcCann/permalink/469335959889565/

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Interesting readers comments on Daily Mail article:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/…/Parents-Madeleine-McCann-WIN-l…

Goncalo Amaral, who ran the initial investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, claimed in a book that the toddler had died in an accident in...
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dogs rule end of !!

Jake, who died weeks before he was due to be honoured, once delayed a music...
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  • Fiona Ryan the dog in question done his job and their was evidence to back up his alert well done Jake.
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  • Pamela Gurney Seen it before.
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  • Pamela Gurney Yes brilliant work Jake RIP
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  • Cheryl Baskeyfield Great dog bless him .
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  • Kelly Louise Cozens This particular dog maybe however Eddie got it wrong more than once
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  • Pamela Gurney I don't know where they got the idea Eddie & Keela had never got anything wrong in over 200 cases. They had never been called out on 200 cases...they were trialed and hadn't alerted to roadkill etc in 200 trials is how I read it. The whole of South Yorkshire police dogs and handlers hadn't had 200 cases and the dogs rarely worked for other forces. So it has all been another myth born on internet rumours and misinformation. ACPO can't actually tell us how accurate the dogs are and what they miss. And they tell us the dogs do make false positive alerts. Dogs are infallible but not deliberately lying. They just so need that treat from their master sometimes they will do anything to please 
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  • Anthony Clark Dogs rule the end of what, Linda Anne Scandrett?
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  • Fiona Ryan I think she thinks we don't like dogs  but we do, we just have to question the credibility of the dogs in the McCann investigation, as there was nothing to back up their alerts.. thank fully.. It means that Maddie was still alive when removed from the apartment.
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  • Pamela Gurney I love dogs and have been the owner of 5 thoughout our married life and numerous dogs before I got married.
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Okay so now the Judge will rule in favour of the McCann's what will the damages settlement be?

The person who is closest will get a £50 donation to a charity of their choosing

NOTE - excludes Amaral's begging bowl fund and any charities involving domestic cats

Goncalo Amaral, 56, the ex-police officer who bungled the Madeleine McCann investigation made a fortune by spinning a web of lies about the case, a Lisbon...
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Another succinct critique:

The "truth" or not of the various "facts" appears to be neither here nor there (no doubt a major contrast to a UK trial of this nature).

The bottom line, from what I can gather, is that:

- The judge doesn't appear particularly impressed with a former PJ officer interpreting selected "facts" from an early period of the investigation to accuse them of crimes.

- His interpretation does not correspond to the conclusions of the AG's assessment of the totality of the case.

- She was not impressed with the timing of the publication of the book, just days after the AG had released the conclusions of the entire investigation.

- He ignores their right to a presumption of innocence.

- He used the kudos of his former position to bolster the credibility of his claims... and to make a substantial income out of it.

- The documentary is even worse.

- She doesn't appear to have been very impressed either with the insinuations that the Portuguese authorities who did not share his views were somehow bowing to the whims of foreign powers.

- Some of the legal arguments are those presented in the injunction: the relative rights, etc.

- Although a private citizen at the time of publication, as a former PJ officer, there are still rights and duties associated with that former position. And that includes discretion so as not to prejudice a case and the respect for the concept of the presumption of innocence.

- She has substantiated the arguments not just from Portuguese legislation, but also from European legislation.

All in all... "We are not impressed" would seem to cover it.

So Lee Ryan is posting his girlfriends post as follows. Isabel didn't leak anything so what is she/he on about? is he still a member here? Lee Ryan explain if you will please.

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Goncalo Amaral and his lawyer have now officially been informed of the verdict.

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In a court ruling that has left many in states of total disbelief, former PJ detective Gonçalo Amaral has been ordered to pay €500,000 in damages to the parents of...
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    This from STM and so well put:

    What broke the "stalemate" is the fact that it was accepted that on the one hand the McCanns suffered as a result of his accusations and that the McCanns have a right to the presumption of innocence. On the other hand, magistrates and police officers have a number of principles and rules to uphold. As a former PJ coordinator, he still had a duty to uphold them. Instead, he used his former position to bolster his credibility and income-generating potential as he merrily breached those principles / rules big time, insisting on his own interpretation based on only selected parts of the files, giving the impression that he was conveying the official conclusions of the entire investigation. Oh, and managed to cast aspersions on current magistrates and PJ officers while he was at it.

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    I've noticed that the popular theme on other groups is all about the dogs. Imo the dogs are the main thing that they talk about when there asked for evidence and the popular mantra DOGS DON'T LIE. I agree that dogs don't lie but they can be mistaken x

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    I am writing this as an appeal for the whereabouts of Lizzy Taylor who has not been seen in over 16 hours and her fans are getting increasingly worried about her.

    If you have any information please ring Crimestoppers who are interested in her disappearance from the internet and are concerned it may be to do with the McCann case.

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    • Diane WinchRonay Crompton and 9 others like this.
    • Carin Visser Who is this Lizzy Taylor?
    • Pamela Gurney She runs the propaganda Empire known as HiDeHo and she has been instrumental in the matter of spreading hate and defamation against the McCanns across the entire internet. The other groups are mainly satellites of HdH too.
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    • Pamela Gurney I know...most haven't thought about this have they?
    • Pamela Gurney They make me chuckle Gwen!.
    • Cass Sidebotham I wonder if Lizzy is desperately making enquiries as to whether she still gets paid?! Lol
    • Pamela Gurney Oh my word...she may well be on the dole now. Her hero has no money to support her with.
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    • Cass Sidebotham An attack as organised as hers takes money. Where is the money coming from?
    • Pamela Gurney Do you think so or is it she is just a fanatic?
    • Cass Sidebotham The fact that she's disappeared hints at organisation to me. A fanatic would be screaming on forums like the rest of the fanatics. No, she is something very different
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    • Pamela Gurney I cannot understand why she is not there at the helm like she usually is. Yesterday she posted up Day #1 of the McCann stay in Luz promising to bring us a day by day account. So where is she? I wonder what ever started her on this fruitless but horrific hate campaign against the parents of missing Madeleine?
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    • Pamela Gurney Hahaha that would be wonderful!
    • Mel Simmonds U are totally obsessed with this Lizzy and this case... Why are u so concerned about what everyone else thinks/are doing?? Do u not have a life beyond this???
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    • Mel Simmonds Oh no I've not got the hump.. Believe it or not I think the book and all books should be banned until the girl is found and the facts are out... I just think it's crazy that grown woman are in this battle about who's right or wrong.. No one knows anything yet.. And in all this glee no one is stopping to think that a little girl is still missing.. Very sad in my eyes!
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    • Martina McCosker You are right Mel, totaling obsessed with other people's opinions, while they stand up for that pair of liars and laugh at a man in ruin just for trying to help figure out what happened to Madeleine
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    • Martina McCosker How are you so sure he lied ? Haven't the McCanns got everybody in high power helping them, if they were innocent why do they need the best PR machine and then hire the worst private investors to find their daughter
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    • Mel Simmonds I think the party poppers and sparkling wine needs to be put away until the child is found safe... And to be fair THEY called the media in and were fine about it until it wasn't so favourable to them..
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    • Martina McCosker The government for one
    • Karen Miller Oh Mel give over we are all for Madeleine!. .......and this is a victory for Madeleine and we will celebrate as we see fit.........those that are busy collecting for Amaral.....where does Madeleine fit into that action?
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    • Mel Simmonds But no one know for 100% fact who is lying though??? I can't understand why it is so written in stone that the mccanns are innocent.. It bewilders me that anyone can say anyone else is lying?! NOBODY KNOWS THE TRUTH YET!
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    • Karen Miller Goncalo Amaral is a liar.........said in Isabel drawl lol
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    • Diane Winch Amaral is a convicted criminal done for lying in another missing child case
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    • Mel Simmonds Ohhhhh ok.. I get it now.. Cause this Isabel says so... Oh I can see how u come to the conclusion that it is 100% fact now.. I forgot she knows everything.. Silly me
    • Anthony Clark Part of the truth we do know,Mel, is that the McCanns had no part in Madeleine's disappearance.
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    • Mel Simmonds I'm sticking up for NO ONE.. I just think there isn't anyone that can actually say who's lying and who's not until the day the little girl is found..
    • Anthony Clark Lizzie missing? Amaral too? You don't think they've run off together, do you? Is this the real reason why the Amaral marriage failed?
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    • Diane Winch ..Perhaps Lizzy has realised that the Mccann are innocent and she is not coming back on hideho
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    • Pamela Gurney Lizzy is remaining low as far as I can see. So she should. A very naughty old girl she has been.
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    • Kelly Louise Cozens She hasn't commented on her page yet the members are going crazy
    • Pamela Gurney She's laying low...very low. Will we ever see her again because she realises now she could be done for malicious communications.
    • Kimberley Jones Just catching up with all the up roar!! What do you guys make of what they are talking about on the other sites with regards to the Mccans lawyer going to the press with the so said outcome before it anybody on AM's team knew? They are saying something is amiss!! Is this why Lizzy hasn't been around? Something else going on.....? All so strange!
    • Pamela Gurney I wonder if there will be an arrest made and GA will be the one arrested for breaking judicial secrecy?
    • Pamela Gurney Just a thought 
    • Kelly Louise Cozens Goncalo amaral already got convicted of purgery covering for officers and convicted of falsifying documents separate to this case Mel Simmonds would u trust him if this was you
    • Kimberley Jones Do you think they could Pam?
    • Pamela Gurney Of course they could. It is like breaking the Official Secrets Act almost.
    • Kimberley Jones Then why was it ever allowed to be published in the first place? Why not arrest him the minute his book was in hardback and on the shelves?
    • Kimberley Jones ^^ sorry just trying to work out why he could now be arrested but not before?
    • Michelle Barnes She's running scared....lol.
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    Some folk are getting desperate as the balloon pic has resurfaced and being touted as proof of how happy McCanns were........here is the video for truth and clarity purposes. Your thoughts please

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    London Metro reporting it too and look at their choice of words...lol but so true :

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    A lot of the other groups are quite angry at the verdict. They are happy enough to like the so called dog evidence. They are happy enough to like his book ect ect. But a court ruling made by a judge who has heard the evidence are wrong. They won't be happy until the parents are in prison. I'm sorry but by the judges verdict it's pretty clear there not guilty as his book was apparently based on evidence and the judge must think the evidence is wrong x

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    Fiona Ryan feeling amused

    There will be a party later for the opening of the envelope ceremony, all are welcome,

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    If Mr Amaral who was in charge of the missing Madeliene Mccann case was to come on here for the day what questions would you ask him?

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    • Kelly Louise Cozens Hold that thought Diane there was many more 32 the year before madeleine
    • Kelly Louise Cozens Mine would be given the fact there was an attempted abduction a few days before a girl around the same age u have no sex offenders register and many pedophiles living on the algarve also that people were collecting money and had reported burglaries and...See More
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    • Kelly Louise Cozens Then I would ask him what part are you and your officers involved in this why we're u so keen to blame the parents and make this go away why didn't you as a father think of madeleine like a little girl instead of a missing object
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    The court transcript from Portugal:

    https://translate.google.com/translate…

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    Just wondering if Lizzy will make a show for tomorrow's thrilling edition of the McCann and friends day in Luz?

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    I see Bronte Textusa has been made to use her real name on facebook.

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    Every anti forum is in complete meltdown tonight...only to be expected. And I can see twitter is as well and Sonia Poultry is disbelieving of this result.

    However, Sonj said she would be releasing this earth shattering video of hers after the verdict.

    Do we think she will go ahead with it now? Wouldn't she look a fool?

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    I am feeling sooooo H A P P Y:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bWyhj7siEY

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    What do you think to Jane Tanners interview with the Sun?

    Jane Tanner's interview with The Sun on 20 November 2007

    In an exclusive interview with The Sun – her first with any newspaper – Jane forcefully hit back at critics who have suggested she is lying. Amid sobs, she said: "I DID see a man that night carrying away Madeleine...she WAS abducted."

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    Goncalo Amaral has to pay £75,000 to McCanns - wont make much difference to criminal investigations to be honest.

    http://news.sky.com/…/ex-detective-to-pay-mccanns-75000-for…

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    For any still doubting that SkyNews, the BBC and ITV were telling the truth, here it is from Portugal:

    http://www.theportugalnews.com/…/lisbon-court-orders-…/34612

    A Lisbon Civil Court on Tuesday issued a ruling in which former PJ police detective Gonçalo Amaral is to pay the parents of missing British toddler Madeleine...
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    Please help these wonderful people in their hour of need:

    http://www.redcross.org.uk/nepalhero…

    Help us reach more people and save more lives - donate now.
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    Any ideas what Pat Brown could possibly mean by this (apart from sour grapes):

    https://www.facebook.com/pat.brown.52012/posts/10153339044594319

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    Loving the new banner. It tends to rub salt into some smarting wounds tonight though unsure emoticon

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    Cass Sidebotham updated the group photo.
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    Court in Portugal orders libel payout by ex-police chief to parents of missing girl...
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    It is reported that Kate and Gerry McCann will use damages awarded in their libel case to help continue the search for their missing daughter Madeleine. The pair won a total of €500,000 (£358,000) after suing...
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    It looks like shock-jock talk radio presenter Jon Gaunt is now, looking to revive his interest in the McCann case and is engaging with people on‪#‎McCann‬ tag.

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    Found this what do you think?
    I have had a look at one of the videos which Hideho has created which dealt with this issue.
    I have done a timed set of comments on the video.
    If anyone (especially Hideho) would like to offer comments about what I perceive to be the deception within the video I would be very willing to reply.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP30PRieuU4...

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    Why did Kate DENY, under oath at the Leveson Inquiry, that there were body fluids found in their car...
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    From the mouthpiece himself, Tony Bennett on Ms Kleeman. Who knows, some good could actually come out of her documentary regarding these "doubters" of the McCanns. We can but hope so:

    http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t11215-jenny-kleeman-guard…

    Jenny Kleeman/Guardian Documentary Film on Madeleine McCann out soon The film being made for the Guardian by Jenny Kleeman on Madeleine McCann - first...
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    Jenny Kleeman - for the record, I did not bombard or beg her with 'messages' requesting her to interview me.

    1) Since January 2014, I've TWEETED Jenny eight times relating to McCann case (all off-the-cuff tweets, not messages or emails) .. the tweets are available here: http://greptweet.com/u/dasteelman/#jennykleeman

    2) Jenny Tweeted me, on April 1st this year asking me to follow her she could DM me

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    The Official Find Madeleine page have helped enormously in the fund raising for Ruby, a little girl who has neuroblastoma and yet is the bravest, most courageous little girl, still able to smile and enjoy parts of her life.

    The treatment Ruby and others suffering this childhood cancer need is not available in the UK at present, which I and others find quite unbelievable considering the money wasted in many areas.

    I bring you Ruby's story again in the hope you can all support ...

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    Raise money, support your friends, give to a cause. Show you care.
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    People believe we don't respect other peoples opinions, and they are so far wrong that they have missed the Mark. We respect other peoples opinions, and views, as long as they are respectful when debating them.. All are welcome here, Anti, Pro, fence and David Steel, just remember leave the hatred at the door, be respetful, Don't be nasty, towards other or people involved in the case, use facts, and link when required and we all will get on just fine..

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    I found this on an anti Mccann facebook group and wondered what members on here thought and if they could do my poll please?
    Can I do a poll of those who believe Madeleine died and that the abduction didn't happen. Do you think she died 
    Before 8.30pm on the 3rd? (88) thought she did ........Sometime on the 2nd (45) thought she did .........and Before the 2nd (23) thought she did that 23 includes Lizzy Hideho Taylor

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    Before 8.30pm on the 3rd May
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    Sometime on the 2nd May
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    How wonderful it is to learn that there are journalists following this dreadful hate campaign against the McCanns. I had often hoped that there were but to be told this is a fact...it is a relief.

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    • Cass Sidebotham I think it has a lot to do with showing what kind of police officer he was. if he was prepared to falsify testimony in one case, he could do it in another., and the fact that he chose as his right hand man, one of only two police officers ever to have been convicted of torture in Portuguese history, says a lot about his team, and his judgement
    • Pamela Gurney The McCanns had nothing at all to do with Amarals removal....not a thing.

    The anti-McCann’s want people to believe that a missing child is dead… now why would any person want a missing child to be classed as dead, without solid evidence to prove otherwise?

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    Hope this ok to post if not delete it, What are your views?

    Is the internet more a force for good or evil?
    The internet has the potential to do much good. Amongst its many positive features it allows people to research and connect in ways that they have never been able to before.
    However, it is also allowing people to ruin lives by making unsubstantiated rumours and allegations under the cloak of anonymity. It is ungovernable wild west. As Churchill said 'a lie can get half w...

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    What do members think to this i found?
    Does the sequence of events support abduction or manslaughter?
    Madeleine was alive and well when she left the crèche on the day she disappeared. 
    If something untoward had happened to Madeleine in that apartment and her parents had decided to conceal her remains for whatever reason and concoct a story about an abduction, I find it highly improbable that they would have alerted anyone that night. It just didn't give them enough time to g...

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    AAAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! Look what I have just seen on Twitter. I despair. I really do.

    See the picture below for the location of the part where the DNA was found. this part of the car is very easily accessible and would need to be touched whenever the back seats of the car were put up and down, which they were frequently.

    The 'carpet' from the boot was just a mat which similarly had to come out whenever the back seats were used.

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    Cass Sidebotham's photo.
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    • Cass Sidebotham i think you are being naive, anne, lizzy knows what she is doing. she has deliberately put together research materials that are accessible to people learning about the case, but she has messed with the info, and she knows she has. her videos and graphics are highly effective propaganda. and in order for it to be as effective as it is, she must know precicely what she is doing in creating it.
    • Cass Sidebotham if Lizzy was just another poster, I might agree with you. but she has spent literally thousands of hours creating vids and graphics to create suspicion where none should exist
    • Pamela Gurney It's Lizzy's life work and she has taken so much that was never sinister and morphed it into sinister...she has a suspicious old mind and cannot see that what she is doing is very wrong. She admires Amaral to the point she is defending his every damned move and we all know he was removed from the case by his own force for being inept and corrupt.

    I would be pleased if members could do my poll on whether they thought the tapas 7 helped cover up for the Mccann's over Maddeleine disappearance

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    Some of there friends helped them cover up
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    None of there friends helped them cover up
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    All there friend helped them cover up
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    Oh Dear, Oh Dear..This is the sort of crap the Mcs are up against.
    Órfhlaith Ní Choírbín Madeleine looks very tall, with quite long legs, in this video, for a child who was not yet four years old...She looks about 5-6 years old. Is it true GM is not her biological father and that the "donor" was from Holland where she was born? It would explain why they lived there and why her birth was not registered in the UK for a few months, a lot longer than the law allows (I think you have 90 days to register a birth, they took around 8 months I think - is this because she was born in Holland?) Also, there are two birth certs with different DOB's on them...

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    the director of the hospital admitted the drs got it wrong. Join the campaign and make a difference.
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    Not to sure about the 1st half of her blog regarding the feminist stuff - I do agree with her second half.

    The chav, 'anti' brigade for whatever reason persecuted Linda for The Sun interview because she did not represent 'them' ... who do these anonymous, cowardly chavs think they are? ... Like I always say 'SayNoToGangLife' ... be yourself

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    What are your views about Amaral (the cop in charge of missing Madeleine) making a lot of money writing his book about poor Madeleine going missing? also he was making money giving interviews too.

    Well, now that Lizzy has valiantly defeated the straw man, maybe we can get back to the proposition in point....

    HiDeHo is still claiming the DNA was found in that little HiDeHoLe.

    IT WAS NOT

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    This is from one of Frances G's members!

    "Why did the PJ only request rogatory interviews with the tapas7 and not the McCanns? Or did they?"

    Oh dear!

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    I'd sign that. On condition the US kept the pair of chancers.
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    I love this photo. Such a happy little family once upon a time!

    Pamela Gurney's photo.
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    There are many saying the review is a waste of taxpayer's money. I would like to ask those who criticise the review and the McCanns, the following 
    If this was your child missing would you still think it a waste of taxpayers money?
    If the parents were involved, as some people say, why would they campaign tirelessly for a review to be conducted? Surely the last thing they would want is a review of the evidence, if they were guilty of committing a crime.

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    The music is so poignant in this video clip.

    Ok, so i know that there may seem like there is so many people that care - and there is. But there is always too many people who couldn't care less! MADELEIN...
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    If I only had a pound for every time some moronic anti-Madeleine told me to ‘Read the files’ I could retire early. They spout it continually, not just to true Madeleine supporters such as myself, b...
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    After 24h00 search on the net, this is all what I could found inconnection what I told you of the Villa where Madeleine may have been hold. If someone can find a better link I will be glad. Almost 8years ago there was more links about this.

    http://www.express.co.uk/…/Madeleine-The-missed-clues-at-1m…

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    Considering that this is one of the most recognised cases of a missing child in the world, has had so much publicity in the media, public forums, blogs, chat shows.. For the people who believe in the parents being involved, I have a couple of question. Why, after all this time, has no one come forward to state, how bad as parent's the McCanns were/are. Why with all this world knowledge has/did no one come forward to say that they were bad people. Why has no one come forward to state that they have slipped up. Why has no one come forward and stated that they believe that they were/are involved for various reason. I believe because any one who knows the McCanns, know that they were a loving family, who have gone through the most horrendous ordeal, and anyone that knows them, doesn't for one moment doubt them.

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    Re:Pond Trial verdict...

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    So finally the book of fiction, lies and misinformation that had been proven to cause harm and that has been proven to potentially harm the McCann children (although not harmed them YET) has FINALLY been banned. Hurrah !!!! It only took 6 years! So now everyone (except the author obviously) is happy! Wrong! Not only are some anti-Madeleine campaigners distraught, angry, upset and reacting irrationally or hysterically BUT they have preempted Gonzo's next move, who so far has been silent, and these desperate individuals have started several begging bowls in his name to allegedly fund the legal costs of his appeal. Obviously these are almost certainly scams from lowlifes trying to profit once again from the disappearance of a missing child. I mean, why would any normal person start a fund for a convicted criminal who cocked up the investigation into a missing child then had the cheek to try and use the same missing child to line his pockets?The man who did nothing productive in the search for Madeleine and did plenty to but hamper it. The man who never even met her parents during his time on the investigation and publicly pointed the finger at them without any evidence whatsoever.

    However, lets humour for a minute these idiots and look what they are actually doing. They are actively encouraging poor Gonzo to appeal the decision by the judge. But on what grounds.... they certainly do not make this clear so this begs the question. Are they selling Gonzo down the river? Well lets analyse the the grounds for appeal in simple terms

    Firstly the amount of the payout which is circa £350k + interest, this clearly appears to be based on the amount that Amaral was reported to have made from the little venture and correctly guessed by Fiona Ryan assisted by a rather large clue. So it seems sensible that any profits he made from causing someone harm should be paid to those persons as compensation, why should he profit from causing someone harm? I can't see a financial appeal being successful and is likely to get the judges back up and mean the payout will be increased.

    Then there are the infamous statement of facts that the judge read out giving his opinion on points proven and not proven. Well I seem to remember Gonzo being pretty pleased with the judges assessment of these so I can't see him giving the McCanns another bite at proving some of these which perhaps should have been proven in the first place. Like the way the book has hampered the search for madeleine, I know a few thousand antis who have been persuaded via hideho and the like that Madeleine is dead and not worth searching for .....

    So that just leaves the judgement that was used in arriving at the decision, where in a nutshell the judge states that

    Kate and Gerry were harmed by the book
    Gonzo broke judicial secrecy and abused his authority as a former police detective which alone added weight to his words
    There is no evidence to prove involvement of parents in Madeleine McCann's disappearance 
    No Evidence that Madeleine McCann is dead
    Freedom of speech is less important in law than ruining someone's reputation and that he does not allow them the constitutional right of presumption of innocence

    All perfectly valid on face value but obviously everyone has the right to appeal and a good lawyer will often find some leverage. Will a couple grand from a few anti-madeleine campaigners pay for a good lawyer? Behave! It wont even pay for a bad lawyer! It might pay for a holiday for the less scrupulous anti-madeleine campaigners though wink emoticon

    So we hope for Gonzos sake these are what they appear to be fraudulent begging bowls profiting from a child's disappearance otherwise Gonzo could be persuaded into launching an appeal that is doomed to failure.

    What are your thoughts?

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    • Pamela Gurney Bravo Richard David and my feelings and thoughts exactly. Already one begging bowl has been closed down by the site as it was deemed to be in violation of its rules. Typical the antis are falling over themselves to donate their few pounds thinking it will help their fallen hero...it won't. But if they are happy to pay into a scam who are we to stop them?
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    • Pamela Gurney Rachel Debbage Just got an email from go fund me. The page has been reported, and found to be in violation of their terms and conditions so they are issuing a refund of the donations made. I replied and asked if that meant it was fraudulent? They say no, not fraudulent, just in violation of terms and conditions. Fishy indeed.
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    • Cass Sidebotham your words are mine, Richard
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    • Richard David I doubt it was violation of rules more a untrustworthy organiser. Probably with a history of fraudulent activity.
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    • Fiona Ryan I'm heading to bed now, but must say, have seen some wonderful justice, and have a new found belief in the portugal justice system, may they keep up the good work, and I calculated my amount on the a thesis designed by Albert Einstein libel means you lose, I divided by Gwen James pie chart, Minus a few, divide by 24 added 6 and reached my calculation of 350K it is a secret Mathematical formula used by only the trusted.. and the great Albert Einstein.. just so you know.
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    • Pamela Gurney Fiona Ryan much the same as my mathematical formulae! lol
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    • Pamela Gurney Amaral hasn't a leg to stand on so let him appeal & make it worse for himself.
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    • Pamela Gurney Night Fiona x
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    • Cass Sidebotham to be honest, I think these funds sprung up much faster than the find madeleine fund did, and there is enough grounds for people to be suspicious about possible financial impropriety here. 

      Are these funds for Amaral fraudulent? 


      Are the starters of the funds going to profit personally from them? Maybe a mortgage payment or two?

      Is Leanne Baulch a criminal for setting up the fund?

      I am making no accusations, merely questioning.

      and if you are an anti, and you are horrified at the insinuation.... take a long hard look in the mirror.
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    • Pamela Gurney So many unanswered question and Leanne Baulch needs to make it clear. Give a press conference perhaps?
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    • Cass Sidebotham I think Leanne should be made to answer questions about this matter. even if she is innocent, she will want to clear the matter up by making a statement.

      from there.... lie detectors?
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    • Pamela Gurney Strap her to a chair and get that bloody lie detector on her fingers...we need answers...NOW! lol
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    • Cass Sidebotham she always seems very cold as a mother as well... just my opinion 
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    • Richard David There's is a lot of these fraudulent funds about at the moment, if what I have read on twitter, a fund for a cat with wonky legs has been proven to be fraudulent and that raised a few grand!
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    • Pamela Gurney And I think she has been caught smiling...proof positive she is into something sinister!!!!
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    • Pamela Gurney Yes I have seen the scam about the cat with wonky legs too!
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    • Pamela Gurney Mind you Leanne's face almost cracked when she smiled...sullen little madam usually!
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    • Richard David If the fund was genuine and she contributed to it then her child will have to go without treats so mummy can use her benefits to support a convicted criminal
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    • Cass Sidebotham she looked like she was enjoying dupers delight to me. all those little pursed lip smiles on FB...
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    • Pamela Gurney Diapers delight...I like that one!
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    • Cass Sidebotham don't edit it, Pam... its very apt.
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    • Pamela Gurney Ahahaha!
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    • Pamela Gurney And so to bed...enough of this frivolity. Goodnight good people and don't wake me up with all the chatter. I will catch up on the morrow.
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    • Anthony Clark I am so pleased that justice has been done. The inner strength and dignity of the McCanns has been a blessing for us all to see. Long may the continue to find the strength to continue their search for their darling little girl. God bless them.
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