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Date Posted：06/07/2023 11:36 AMCopy HTML Date Posted：12/03/2010 12:14 PMCopy HTML http://forum2.aimoo.com/MadeleineMcCann/HiDeHo-Posts/Trip-to-Huelva-to-move-Madeleine-s-body-1-743927.html Trip to Huelva to move Madeleine's body?
I'm sure there have been many discussions about the Huelva trip.. Is there anything established from previous discussions, or details in the police files to suggest they may have used the trip to dispose of her body, as suggested in this article? http://www.typicallyspanish.com/news/publish/article_12799.shtml Madeleine McCann case - Portuguese and Spanish Police are meeting in Huelva By h.b. - Oct 2, 2007 - 12:28 PM The Portuguese press say the police think that the McCann's may have used a trip to Huelva, which they consider as suspicious, to move the child's body. Portuguese Judicial Police from Portimao are meeting with Spanish colleagues in the Spanish city of Huelva today, according to the Spanish agency Europa Press in order to verify the details of the trip to the city which the McCann parents made on August 3, three months after the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine McCann. The trip was taken in the company of a ‘reduced number of journalists’ according to reports, but police note that there was a two hour period when the parents were alone. The journey was made in the Renault Scenic car which later was found to have DNA remains. Police think the trip may have been linked to the disposal of the body of Madeleine, and note that businesses in Huelva were closed on the day because it was a local fiesta. They say they parents may have been visiting a previously made grave for the child. The Portuguese police admit that the body could have been moved to somewhere close to Huelva, which is 50 kms over the border into Spain, according to the Portuguese newspaper ‘Correio da Manha’. It comes as the Portuguese paper says the police have dismissed the reports that the child may have been kidnapped in some sort of revenge against the holiday complex Ocean Club, and they have added that the parents are ‘trying to distract and interrupt the investigation’. Another Portuguese paper, ‘Diario de Noticias’, has reported today that the Judicial police in Portugal have accused the British police of showing favouritism to the McCann’s – ‘They investigate the rumours created by the McCann’s, forgetting that the couple are suspects in the death of their daughter’, is a reported quote from the case coordinator, Gonçalo Amaral. He said example of this was an anonymous email sent to Prince Charles’s webpage, which accused an ex employee of the Ocean Club of having kidnapped the four year old in revenge for being sacked. This had, he is reported to have said ‘no credibility’ for the Portuguese police who consider that the McCann’s have started a campaign to discredit them. Great information at http://www.mccannfiles.com/id168.html HiDeHo on Sat Feb 06, 2010 10:28 pm <!-- google_ad_section_start -->May 3rd..August 3rd Three months..... and they appear to look very relaxed, more than any other pictures I have seen of them. Is it my imagination? Suggestions that they were able to visit the 'grave'..... HiDeHo on Sat Feb 06, 2010 11:04 pm There are several pics on the mccannfiles link http://www.mccannfiles.com/id168.html       HiDeHo on Sat Feb 06, 2010 11:25 pm 110 miles took three and a quarter hours? The Huelva trip goes ahead, despite all public places being closed. The timeline, according to The Sun, is as follows: 09:00 Leave Praia da Luz 12:15 Arrive Huelva (expected at 11:00am) 13:00 Distribute leaflets and posters at train station 13:30 Distribute leaflets and posters at cathedral 14:00 Distribute leaflets and posters at bus station 14:20 Leave to return to Praia da Luz http://www.mccannfiles.com/id168.html In late August, early September, a few days before Gerry and Kate were constituted arguidos, for suspicions of the negligent death of their daughter Madeleine, a top member of staff of Judiciaria commented the following: "After buying ourselves a war with the British media, we are now buying one with the English police." Over the last few weeks, the Policia Judiciaria has been silent, which was helped by the fact that the spokesman of this force for that case, Olegario Sousa, has left that function, which he occupied since the child's disappearance. * Note: The day after this article appeared, 03 October 2007, Alipio Ribeiro reportedly sent a brief fax to Mr Amaral's office in Portimao on the detective's 48th birthday, reading: "Transfered to Faro for convenience of the service". It is not known whether the investigation pursued its interest in the Huelva trip following Mr Amaral's departure. HiDeHo on Sun Feb 07, 2010 12:57 am
I am in the process of downloading hundreds of pics for the day by day calendar.. and you think YOU are sick of them...!! (why do I do this to myself?)  HiDeHo on Sun Feb 07, 2010 1:28 am I love it really lea.. Thats how I came across the Huelva pics... I was really curious whether there had been any discussion since the police files were made public. If there is no 'official' details about Huelva in the files, then maybe they are being held. On the other hand maybe it was a false 'lead'. For those of us that believe there was no abduction, then something happened at some point with the scenic and Huelva certinly seems a possibility. Thanks Laffin...will check Gazeta Digital HiDeHo on Sun Feb 07, 2010 11:22 am <!-- google_ad_section_start -->
Any of these details in the files? HiDeHo on Sun Feb 07, 2010 10:00 pm If there was no abduction then Madeleine's body was taken and remained somewhere, at least for a while. The visit to Huelva today would be under so much scrutiny, if they were doing anything sinister, it would be discovered. However, keeping in mind they were not aware of the internet scrutiny they face today, they may have felt that the trip would go relatively unnoticed, to accomplish what was needed. If their visit had nothing to do with 'connecting' with Madeleine in some way, then are there other viable alternatives prior to that date considering the media frenzy of that time? Logic tells me they must have thought that was a great plan at the time....The secrecy of the day. The extra mileage that they no doubt hoped would go unnoticed. Relatively media free. During Jon Corner's short visit. Parents visit to look after the twins. The three month anniversary. HiDeHo on Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:27 pm <!-- google_ad_section_start -->Who were the 'journalists' 'cameramen' that went with them? Jon Corner and who? Why did they chose these few days for him to visit? (I have added these details to the Clothing and Timeline Table http://madeleinemccann.aimoo.com/Clothes/Clothes-Timeline-Calendar-1-729198.html http://www.mccannfiles.com/id168.html The Huelva trip - In context of other events at the time 31 July 2007 Eddie and Keela start work at Apartment 5A In the evening, Portuguese and UK investigators begin their search of apartment 5A with Eddie and Keela. Cadaver odour is indicated in the McCanns bedroom by the wardrobe, in the living room behind a sofa and a light scent indicated outside on the veranda and in a flowerbed. A blood indication is made behind the sofa. Gerry's blog: Relatively quiet day apart from phone calls and campaign related e-mails. We have Busy couple of days coming up so off to bed relatively early (before midnight)! 01 August 2007 Jon Corner and Kate's parents arrive Jon Corner arrives to film promotional material for the official 'Find Madeleine' site. Kate's parents also arrive. Gerry's blog: Another trip to the airport this morning to pick up our campaign manager. Kate did a series of interviews for womens magazines and the Sunday newspapers which took most of the afternoon. Kates parents, who we visit regularly at home, also arrived and the twins were very happy to see them. They will be staying with us for a week. We have had some new posters designed of Madeleine, in Portuguese and Spanish, which I have been printing out to distribute locally. I also did some filming to camera which we might use on the website and for future events. 02 August 2007 Trip to Huelva cancelled Gerry McCann cancels trip to Huelva due to 'viral illness'. PJ arrive at the McCanns' villa with Eddie and Keela Around 18:00pm, the Inspectors knock on the door of the McCanns villa. Jon Corner states in the Panorama documentary that the McCanns were forewarned of this forensic visit and that there were clothes in the washing machine when the Inspectors arrived. Cadaver odour is indicated on two pieces of Kate's clothing (trousers and blouse), on a red T-shirt believed to belong to Madeleine and on the soft toy known as 'Cuddle Cat'. Gerry's blog: Today was a bit of a write off for me as I was laid low with a probable viral illness which meant I could not stray too far from the house! I did manage to get through some e-mails, telephone calls and some paperwork. Feeling a bit better tonight so hopefully be back to normal tomorrow. Kate did manage to put up some of the new Madeleine posters in shops around Praia da Luz.. It is noticably busier, now that we are in August, with lots of tourists many of whom are from Portugal. The figures from the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children show that one in six kids are recovered after being recognised from a poster. Such statistics do encourage us that relatively simple measures may be effective in helping us find Madeleine. 03 August 2007 Trip to Huelva The Huelva trip goes ahead, despite all public places being closed. The timeline, according to The Sun, is as follows: 09:00 Leave Praia da Luz 12:15 Arrive Huelva (expected at 11:00am) 13:00 Distribute leaflets and posters at train station 13:30 Distribute leaflets and posters at cathedral 14:00 Distribute leaflets and posters at bus station 14:20 Leave to return to Praia da Luz A '100% sure' Maddie sighting is reported In Belgium, details emerge of a possible sighting of Madeleine. A child therapist says she is '100% sure' she saw Madeleine at a restaurant in the town of Tongeren, not far from the Dutch border. A bottle is taken for DNA testing but turns out to be that of a man. The 'sighting' actually took place on 28 July 2007. Covered here Gerry's blog: It is exactly 3 months since Madeleine was abducted. Kate and I had an early start as we drove to Huelva, 50Km over the border from Portugal in Southern Spain. We were meant to go yesterday but had to cancel because I was ill. Unfortunately it was a public holiday in Huelva and the large shopping centre we planned to visit was closed. We did distribute posters in several garages, taxi ranks and the bus and train stations and gave out some Madeleine wristbands. This was definitely a worthwhile exercise, as many people did not seemingly recognise Madeleine but we did get a very warm response from the Spanish people we met. We would encourage everyone to continue taking posters on holiday but please ask permission before putting them up in public places. When we arrived back in Praia da Luz we did a couple of media interviews to building up to August 11th, which will mark 100 days if Madeleine is still missing. There will be a lot of media activity next week reviewing Madeleine's abduction, the investigation and of course the campaign to help find her. It is an opportunity to highlight that we have not given up hope and are still optimistic of being reunited with Madeleine. Tonight we prayed for Madeleine at a vigil in the church. This has happened every Friday since Madeleines abduction and was very well attended tonight, probably due to the greater number of tourists in the resort. 04 August 2007 Search of Casa Liliana, summary from 'The Truth of the Lie' - 4 and 5 August. Ground "aired" and opened. Over two days of thorough searching, no signs from Eddie at Murat's home. Jon Corner returns home (see Gerry's blog below) Gerry's blog: Another early start to the day as I dropped the crew who did some filming for the website and other forthcoming events. Kate and I did a short interview reviewing the last 3 months and the search for Madeleine. We spent the rest of the day with the kids and Kate's family. We were all glad it clouded over in the afternoon to give us some respite from the intense heat. The most recent searches by the police have attracted a lot of renewed media interest with satellite trucks arriving back in Praia da Luz. It is likely that some of the British Broadcasters will also come back out. We werre all very tired and we managed to get off to bed at 10.30pm, which is very early for us by recent standards. |
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Re：HUELVA (from Wayback Machine recovery) Date Posted：06/07/2023 11:40 AMCopy HTML Re：HUELVA Trip Date Posted：12/03/2010 12:15 PMCopy HTML Translation by Astro in Correio da Manha October 2nd 2007 http://www.correiodamanha.pt/noticia.as ... al=9&p=200 Policemen want to find cadaver PJ searches in Huelva The investigators from PJ in Portimao are meeting the Spanish police today, in Huelva. The goal is to verify again all the details of the McCann couple's trip to that city on August 3, three months after the child disappeared. The PJ admits that the cadaver may have been taken to that location, a little over 50 kilometers from the Portuguese border, or that Maddie's parents went to visit the child's grave. The trip was considered suspicious, and there is an interval of two hours when the couple was alone, and which could be related to the translation of the girl's body. At a time when all data is being checked and the authorities are concentrating their attention on recovering the child's cadaver, the investigators don't dismiss any leads. So they decided to advance into Spain, as they are convinced that the body was transported in the van that was rented by the couple. It should be mentioned, as CM reported first hand, that there are many details in the trip to Huelva that are considered to be strange by the investigators. First, the couple chose a holiday to publicize their daughter's disappearance, then they were not followed by the batallion of journalists that was usual. Besides, the car was captured by video surveillance cameras in several "unexplained" locations, which densifies the mystery. While PJ runs against time to unveil the crime, the McCanns' pressure increases. Yesterday, daily newspaper 'Times' announced that Maddie's parents are going to try to "annul" the constitution of arguidos because of a lack of clues. Also Sky News broadcast a large report, which mentioned the failures in the investigation and left many doubts about the police work. Police sources that were heard by CM devalue the pressure, guarateeing they were aware this would happen. And that it would increase at the moment the parents would be considered suspects. E-MAIL WAS JUST A FARCE Another lead followed by Policia Judiciaria revealed itself a farce. The e-mail that was reported by several newspapers yesterday, including CM, and which was sent to Prince Charles, mentioning an abduction as revenge for a dismissal at the Ocean Club, was sent by someone who signed under a false name. The woman, who said her name was Esmeralda Luego, does not exist after all, and the authorities failed to track down the electronic mail itself. Besides, the woman mentions the kidnapping of a child in a hotel in Lisbon, which gave the story little credibility. The McCann had already been informed that the lead was inconsistent, and was considered just one more, among so many unreliable pieces of information that have reached the investigators over the recent months. The most media-exposed and most recent one was a sighting in Morocco, a piece of news that was promptly commented by the McCann's advisor. After all, the girl that had been photographed by a Spanish woman was four years old and the daughter of a Moroccan woman and a Belgian man. In less than 24 hours, the news was dismissed, but the McCanns reaffirmed the thesis that the child is alive. (...) |
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Re：HUELVA (from Wayback Machine recovery) Date Posted：06/07/2023 11:41 AMCopy HTML Re：HUELVA Trip Date Posted：12/03/2010 12:16 PMCopy HTML http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.com/2007/09/police-is-checking-kate-and-gerry-trips.htmlPolice is checking Kate and Gerry' trips to Spain (follow-up)14 comentários:
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Re：HUELVA (from Wayback Machine recovery) Date Posted：06/07/2023 11:45 AMCopy HTML Re：HUELVA Trip Date Posted：12/03/2010 12:18 PMCopy HTML http://madeleinemccann.aimoo.com/Mirror-Forum-Threads/Juxtapose-The-PJ-knew-all-along-1-890306.html The PJ knew all along Goto page 1, 2, 3 Next Author Message juxtapose Joined: 15 Oct 2007 Posts: 90 Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:03 am Post subject: The PJ knew all along When they refused to answer questions it confirmed their belief. The ridicule from the British media re-inforced their determination. The political pressure only sufficed to disprove coruption in the PJ. But most important of all they have one piece of gold, evidence that cannot be reputed. This visit is to clarify secondary evidence. Kate was the original loose canon, alas someone else took the mantle, and the beauty is its all on footage roisin Joined: 12 Sep 2007 Posts: 314 Location: seattle usa Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:05 am Post subject: Re: The PJ knew all along -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [quote="juxtapose"] Kate was the original loose canon, alas someone else took the mantle, and the beauty is its all on footage[/quote] What do you mean by that? Would you mind clarifying the last comment? _________________ *** For you, Maddy *** http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRTyBDdNmvk *** I never forgot about you *** Back to top Estelle Joined: 03 Oct 2007 Posts: 941 Location: Australia Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:08 am Post subject: Re: The PJ knew all along -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [quote="roisin"][quote="juxtapose"] Kate was the original loose canon, alas someone else took the mantle, and the beauty is its all on footage[/quote] What do you mean by that? Would you mind clarifying the last comment?[/quote] xxxx Who took the mantle? _________________ I'm not pro-McCann or anti-McCann... I'm pro Madeleine & want justice for her!!! The McCanns have fooled us...perhaps they have made an accidental murder into a multi-million dollar business!!! Don't bother to troll me. I'll report to Mods. Back to top juxtapose Joined: 15 Oct 2007 Posts: 90 Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:09 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- someone recently made video footage, however it does not match actual evidential footage Back to top roisin Joined: 12 Sep 2007 Posts: 314 Location: seattle usa Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:10 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [quote="juxtapose"]someone recently made video footage, however it does not match actual evidential footage[/quote] I'm willing to appear thick as a brick... Video footage of what? _________________ *** For you, Maddy *** http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRTyBDdNmvk *** I never forgot about you *** Back to top juxtapose Joined: 15 Oct 2007 Posts: 90 Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:11 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- i cannot say anymore, please please try to work it out Back to top scrafen Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 1283 Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:14 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (1) someone else took the mantle, because kate was too weak... (2) recently shot video footage from PDL is different than the PJs footage from May Back to top matti Joined: 16 Sep 2007 Posts: 474 Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:14 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you mean the friend's footage that cropped up in Panorama ? Back to top reperioverum Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 2650 Location: In Villa DeFarge for the Trial Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:14 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon Corner?? _________________ Criminologist Moita Flores' opinion is that "the couple lied" and thus displayed "an indifference and omission concerning their children's destiny". Back to top oldcrone Joined: 10 Jun 2007 Posts: 2282 Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:15 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- That's what I was thinking ... the Huelva trip footage? _________________ Only cowards and the guilty run away. GORDON BROWN - you just lost my vote in the next election. BOYCOTT VIRGIN - don't let Branson give your money to child killer suspects. Back to top juxtapose Joined: 15 Oct 2007 Posts: 90 Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:18 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- no one close Panaroma is one, the other is what not many know exists Back to top scrafen Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 1283 Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:19 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- if there was anything (suspicious) in PANORAMA, what would help to solve the case, the Police/PJ could make this "evidential" - by confiscating Jon Corners video tapings Back to top oldcrone Joined: 10 Jun 2007 Posts: 2282 Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:19 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CCTV footage at Ocean Club? _________________ Only cowards and the guilty run away. GORDON BROWN - you just lost my vote in the next election. BOYCOTT VIRGIN - don't let Branson give your money to child killer suspects. Back to top JillyComeLately Joined: 15 Nov 2007 Posts: 284 Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:19 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- . Jane Tanner's interview? That's not Golden enough though, surely? . Back to top reperioverum Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 2650 Location: In Villa DeFarge for the Trial Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:22 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is the CCTV footage from OC that taken on 3rd May?? _________________ Criminologist Moita Flores' opinion is that "the couple lied" and thus displayed "an indifference and omission concerning their children's destiny". Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First Goto page 1, 2, 3 Next Page 1 of 3 The PJ knew all along Goto page Previous 1, 2, 3 Next Author Message JillyComeLately Joined: 15 Nov 2007 Posts: 284 Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:26 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- . Please don't tease. I'm going to wait until I hear there jhave been arrests. . Back to top juxtapose Joined: 15 Oct 2007 Posts: 89 Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:28 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- let's see what the next few weeks brings, but a couple of you are going for gold Back to top roisin Joined: 12 Sep 2007 Posts: 314 Location: seattle usa Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:28 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [quote="juxtapose"]i cannot say anymore, please please try to work it out[/quote] CCTV footage of someone moving Maddy's body... but can't work out who is "taking the mantle"... Nobody is admitting anything. The ONLY other thing I can think of is something about the Payne check on Kate in the afternoon, when Gerry asked him to leave the courts and check on her. Is Payne taking the mantle? *** I never forgot about you *** Back to top juxtapose Joined: 15 Oct 2007 Posts: 89 Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:33 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- last footage of madeleine is the bar on the beach, unless the cctv in the service station is her, though thought to be highly unlikely. The footage none of us knows about is with the PJ, and does NOT show madeleine Back to top roisin Joined: 12 Sep 2007 Posts: 314 Location: seattle usa Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:36 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [quote="juxtapose"]last footage of madeleine is the bar on the beach, unless the cctv in the service station is her, though thought to be highly unlikely. The footage none of us knows about is with the PJ, and does NOT show madeleine[/quote] OK. I hope that people who are much brighter than I am come to this thread and post some theories. I think you may have inside knowledge and if so you have to be very, very careful! For the life of me I can't work this one out. _________________ *** For you, Maddy *** http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRTyBDdNmvk *** I never forgot about you *** Back to top PaminBigD Joined: 23 Oct 2007 Posts: 41 Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:36 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think they are allowing them to hang themselves, basically. Jux, we have a case here that a retired cop has a missing wife, he keeps on going on camera even though he has legal counsel. I think as long as the suspect is willing to talk, the police must just let them go at it. If the lawyers could get them to shut up, then the police would wrap up with what they have. Cops just getting more fuel for the fire (cheaper on tax payers I think). Back to top reperioverum Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 2650 Location: In Villa DeFarge for the Trial Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:37 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [quote="juxtapose"]last footage of madeleine is the bar on the beach, unless the cctv in the service station is her, though thought to be highly unlikely. The footage none of us knows about is with the PJ, and does NOT show madeleine[/quote] =========================== Does this mean that Madeleine was not actually around when her parents claimed she was?? _________________ Criminologist Moita Flores' opinion is that "the couple lied" and thus displayed "an indifference and omission concerning their children's destiny". Back to top matti Joined: 16 Sep 2007 Posts: 474 Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:37 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Would the kiddies' club have had a security camera ? Or a parent had a video camera ? Was Madeleine not there in the afternoon as claimed ? Back to top juxtapose Joined: 15 Oct 2007 Posts: 89 Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:37 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roisin your right i dont want to say no more i've left enough clues Back to top juxtapose Joined: 15 Oct 2007 Posts: 89 Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:40 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matti wrong track Back to top reperioverum Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 2650 Location: In Villa DeFarge for the Trial Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:42 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Would it be anything to do with a certain photograph?? _________________ Criminologist Moita Flores' opinion is that "the couple lied" and thus displayed "an indifference and omission concerning their children's destiny". Back to top juxtapose Joined: 15 Oct 2007 Posts: 89 Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:43 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Repor your first answer too vague last photo does not interset PJ Back to top roisin Joined: 12 Sep 2007 Posts: 314 Location: seattle usa Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:43 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OK. I looked through a few earlier posts. The PJ have cctv footage from the OC. It disproves EVERY one of the timelines given by the Tapas 9. I find this very heartening, without knowing anything more. Justice for Madeleine McCann / support and respect for the PJ! _________________ *** For you, Maddy *** http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRTyBDdNmvk *** I never forgot about you *** Back to top scrafen Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 1283 Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:43 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- then maybe this footage is the one PJ took when they did the crime reconstruction ? ...then they found something special - what should have been seen, comparing the witness statements with it ? Back to top gangapants Joined: 08 Sep 2007 Posts: 69 Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:44 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- if david payne went to see if kate and the kids were ok in the AFTERNOON then ergo the kids werent at the creche in the afternoon and the CCTV from the creche might show the children who were there coming and going but NO SIGN of the mccann kids or madeleine coming or going in addition or as an alternative cctv footage from around the resort may show the mccanns in a car (a hire car or a friends car or indeed ANY car or even on foot with the buggy with the LARGE all encompassing hood/cover leaving their apartment and/or returning at a time when the mccannas claimed gerry was playing tennis and kate was home alone wth the kids in possible body disposal operations or again cctv footage may show a friend coming or going to the mccanns apartment for body disposal etc in the afternoon/early evening Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First Forum Index -> The hunt for Maddy All times are GMT Goto page Previous 1, 2, 3 Next Page 2 of 3 The PJ knew all along Goto page Previous 1, 2, 3 Forum Index -> The hunt for Maddy View previous topic :: View next topic Author Message juxtapose Joined: 15 Oct 2007 Posts: 89 Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:45 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- People in seattle USA are shrewd good night Back to top reperioverum Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 2649 Location: In Villa DeFarge for the Trial Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:45 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If the footage does NOT show Madeleine then either it shows that she was not somewhere where her parents said she was, or it is showing somebody else doing something that they should not have been doing. _________________ Criminologist Moita Flores' opinion is that "the couple lied" and thus displayed "an indifference and omission concerning their children's destiny". Back to top gangapants Joined: 08 Sep 2007 Posts: 69 Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:49 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- also another thought from the thread title if the PJ knew all along (maybe the stand alone evidence not necessarily forensic) it may well be something simple such as showing someone on CCTV doing something they shouldnt or destroying their alibi etc for a certain time Back to top matti Joined: 16 Sep 2007 Posts: 474 Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:52 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fait beaux rêves juxtapose et merci Back to top scrafen Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 1282 Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:52 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- so... -- some of tapas 9 could have claimed "we went on may 3rd to this and that place" - and then must have passed cctv ---> what can be proved now, they are not shown (maybe because - the pj's reconstruction of all tapas 9 statements showed there must have been footage of someone...) OR -- there indeed WAS footage of a tapas 9 when s/he claimed not having been there on may 3rd... Back to top PaminBigD Joined: 23 Oct 2007 Posts: 41 Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:55 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- goodnight to you Jux. thank you, Back to top scrafen Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 1282 Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:55 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- AND.... the other OPs point RE someone "took the mantle for kate"... WHO - of the tapas 7 actually took a "mantle" ? -- payne -- jane tanner then most likely jane tanner was chosen to take this "mantle", what is the abductor statement, because she seemed to be more "reliable" as a witness ? Back to top reperioverum Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 2649 Location: In Villa DeFarge for the Trial Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:57 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [quote="scrafen"]AND.... the other OPs point RE someone "took the mantle for kate"... WHO - of the tapas 7 actually took a "mantle" ? -- payne -- jane tanner then most likely jane tanner was chosen to take this "mantle", what is the abductor statement, because she seemed to be more "reliable" as a witness ?[/quote] =========================================================== Was Kate supposed to have "seen" bundleman?? _________________ Criminologist Moita Flores' opinion is that "the couple lied" and thus displayed "an indifference and omission concerning their children's destiny". Back to top juxtapose Joined: 15 Oct 2007 Posts: 89 Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:58 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ganga.. on the right track This is not gold evidence, just an aside Look at the pics/video of Kate on the morning of 4th May, been up all night looking for her daughter, an abductor has allegedly taken her, and moved cuddle cat. Her earlier statements say the abductor had clearly moved cuddle cat. So what was she doing holding cuddle cat in that very first press release? Footage there for all to see. Secondly, why would a mother who has just had a child allegedly abducted, take time to change her ear rings the next day? This has nothing to do with the gem that the PJ have Back to top scrafen Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 1282 Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:59 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- @repioverum cant imagine that kate was supposed to see bundleman... but maybe they had to change their initial plan, how to "present" the abduction, due to kate... Back to top scrafen Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 1282 Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:02 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ...to continue with my previous post... ...maybe kate was by the evening simply too drunk and so must have been ripped off the "abduction" plan staging on short notice Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First Forum Index -> The hunt for Maddy All times are GMT Goto page Previous 1, 2, 3 Page 3 of 3 Joined: 15 Jun 2007 Posts: 2650 Location: In Villa DeFarge for the Trial Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:03 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [quote="scrafen"]@repioverum cant imagine that kate was supposed to see bundleman... but maybe they had to change their initial plan, how to "present" the abduction, due to kate... [/quote] ================================= I think that Jeremy Wilkins appearing when he did threw a real spanner in the works... _________________ Criminologist Moita Flores' opinion is that "the couple lied" and thus displayed "an indifference and omission concerning their children's destiny". Back to top scrafen Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 1283 Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:07 am Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- @reperioverum yep, jeremy wilkins disturbed the plan very badly... ...this would explain jane tanners (late) statement, because it was needed to support an abduction, which was quickly discarded as no "evidence" (of jemmying shutters...) but - what did the OP mean by "taking the mantle" for kate, because being the "loose canon" ? |
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Re：HUELVA (from Wayback Machine recovery) Date Posted：06/07/2023 11:46 AMCopy HTML Re：HUELVA Trip
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Typically Spanish
Why did the McCann family travel to Huelva in Spain on August 3 ?
By h.b. - Sep 27, 2007 - 12:34 PM
Photo EFE
Portuguese newspaper 'Correio de Manha' asks the question today as police try to cover the 2,750 kilometres reportedly used by their hire car over a month
According to the Portuguese newspaper ‘Correio da Manha’, the Portuguese Police are now investigating a journey allegedly taken by the McCann family to Huelva in Spain during August.
The investigators are trying to justify a reported 2,750 kilometres which the parents of missing Madeleine McCann added to the Renault Scenic hire car in the month they used it. This was the same car from which DNA evidence was taken by the investigators.
The McCanns reportedly went to Huelva on August 3, which was a local fiesta in the Spanish city, but the reason for the trip is not clear.
The newspaper claims that the Portuguese police are concentrating their efforts now on the search for a body, although other lines of investigation remain open.
The police believe the child died accidentally on the night she vanished May 3rd and that the parents later moved the body. However the evidence they have is not sufficient they say to charge the parents who it seems will not be questioned again unless new evidence is found.
The McCanns continue to proclaim their innocence and say all the police efforts should remain concentrated on the search for Madeleine. |
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Re：HUELVA (from Wayback Machine recovery) Date Posted：06/07/2023 11:46 AMCopy HTML Re：HUELVA Trip Date Posted：12/03/2010 12:28 PMCopy HTML http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic7752.html?hilit=huelva Apensos V Vol XIII Pages 2901-2904 (In English, text is jumbled and in the wrong order, have typed it up as it appears in the files.) Behind Jerry McCann – Caller has seen this male on TV. He is white “looked a biggish sort of guy and really short hair almost shaved age 40-45 yrs”. Caller is not sure but she also thinks there was another passenger in the back behind Mrs McCann. Possibly a woman but “wouldn’t like to swear to it”. Caller is sure of the date and the times as she went to the train station to change her tickets and she still has the Rec by Tphone 29-09-07 Changed tickets with the date on. Caller is ringing in as she has read in the paper about “lost hours in Huelva”. Caller states when she saw the McCanns at the traffic lights there were no other cars behind them (papers stated they had photographers with them in Huelva – Daily Mail dated Friday 28-9-07. Caller is happy to speak to the police if necessary. Caller will hang on to her tickets as proof of her being in Huelva. Rec by Tphone 29-09-07 Location: Huelva, Spain, out of force area. Origin: Mrs Linda Rosendale, Kent. Witness. Text: Caller states on 3-8-07 she was at locn at Huelva in Spain at approx 11.20 hours she was sitting next to the McCanns at traffic lights (road name not known but knows in the centre of Huelva). Caller states if shown a map she could identify the road as Title: Info/ McCanns Huelva Time 1934 Date 29-09-07 Rec by Tphone 29-09-07 Incident confirmed. Caller has a house just outside Huelva. Caller states they were driving the rented Renault Scenic and there were pictures of Maddy on the windows. Caller states she was actually sitting alongside Jerry McCann who was driving, his wife was sitting next to him in the front and there was a white male sitting Rec by Tphone 29-09-07 Location: Huelva, Spain, out of force area. Origin: Mrs Linda Rosendale, Kent. Witness. Text: Caller states on 3-8-07 she was at locn at Huelva in Spain at approx 11.20 hours she was sitting next to the McCanns at traffic lights (road name not known but knows in the centre of Huelva). Caller states if shown a map she could identify the road as Title: Info/ McCanns Huelva Time 1934 Date 29-09-07 Caller has a house just outside Huelva. Caller states they were driving the rented Renault Scenic and there were pictures of Maddy on the windows. Caller states she was actually sitting alongside Jerry McCann who was driving, his wife was sitting next to him in the front and there was a white male sitting behind Jerry McCann – Caller has seen this male on TV. He is white “looked a biggish sort of guy and really short hair almost shaved age 40-45 yrs”. Caller is not sure but she also thinks there was another passenger in the back behind Mrs McCann. Possibly a woman but “wouldn’t like to swear to it”. Caller is sure of the date and the times as she went to the train station to change her tickets and she still has the changed tickets with the date on. Caller is ringing in as she has read in the paper about “lost hours in Huelva”. Caller states when she saw the McCanns at the traffic lights there were no other cars behind them (papers stated they had photographers with them in Huelva – Daily Mail dated Friday 28-9-07. Caller is happy to speak to the police if necessary. Caller will hang on to her tickets as proof of her being in Huelva. Incident linked to 209 26-06-07 |
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Re：HUELVA (from Wayback Machine recovery) Date Posted：06/07/2023 11:48 AMCopy HTML Re：HUELVA Trip Date Posted：12/03/2010 12:30 PMCopy HTML http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic2212.html?hilit=huelva Diario de Noticias 28.9.07 Maddie's body may be buried in Huelva There are two hours that remain to be clarified during the trip that was made on August 3 by Madeleine McCann's parents to the Spanish city of Huelva, in the Renault Scenic that was rented three weeks after their daughter disappeared from Praia da Luz. Although it was a holiday in Huelva, the McCann couple went to that town in Andalucia, accompanied by an image operator who was hired to make a video about the Maddie case, and a friend of his. Gerry and Kate met Portuguese and foreign journalists between 10.30 and 12.30, at various locations, namely at department store El Corte Ingles, at the train station and at the cathedral, where they distributed and put up posters with the image of their daughter and the police contact numbres, so anyone who located her could get in contact. One of the British reporters who, since the first hour when Maddie disappeared, accompanied the McCanns' steps, lost their track for two hours in Huelva, as DN could discover. It would have been during the afternoon that Gerry and Kate, probably without their two companions, stopped being seen by the reporter, who hadn't lost them out of his sight until then. What they did, nobody knows. A mystery that now thickens the suspicions that Madeleine's body may have been buried in the Huelva area, which could justify the thousands of kilometers that were made during four months. Among the British journalists that follow the Maddie case at Praia da Luz, there are some who remember that one of the rituals that are practised by many catholics, namely in England, consists in visiting the tomb three months after someone's death. Curiously, on August 3, the day the McCanns "vanished" in Huelva, was three months to the day that their eldest daughter disappeared. Policia Judiciaria already owns several images from the video surveillance system of petrol stations and highways, along with other locations where the Renault Scenic driven by Gerry McCann went through, which the investigators considered have "no apparent reason" to be. The trip to Huelva was scheduled for August 2, a day when the McCanns were supposed to meet representatives from associations that are connected to missing children. But the trip was delayed to the next day, allegedly because of "intestinal problems" of Gerry McCann, according to the justification that was then given by the couple's spokesperson, Justine McGuiness, who didn't travel with them that day. |
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Re：HUELVA (from Wayback Machine recovery) Date Posted：06/07/2023 11:50 AMCopy HTML Re：HUELVA Trip Date Posted：12/03/2010 12:32 PMCopy HTML http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic2211.html?hilit=huelva Correio da Manhã 27.9.07 Suspicions: Authorities went to Spain to try to understand what the McCanns did on August 3 PJ investigates trip to Huelva Policia Judiciaria is investigating a trip of the McCann couple to Huelva, Spain, made on August 3, which used the Renault Scenic that contained traces that are presumed to belong to Maddie. These diligences are performed according to the theory, which is now followed more intensely by the investigators, that points to the child's death and the moving of the corpse in that car. PJ has already collected video surveillance images in "locations that make no sense" where the Renault Scenic may have been through. The suspicions become more dense with some details of the trip. Namely the fact that for almost three months, Kate and Gerry had an intense media agenda, which included the presence of the press all over Europe. This was until August 2, a time when Maddie's father alleged intestinal problems and cancelled the entire program, which included meetings with some associations in Huelva. Gerry missed that day, but PJ found out later that the trip from Praia da Luz to that Spanish city was made the next day, this time including the couple and a small group of journalists. This was the first time in three months, since their daughter disappeared on the night of May 3. The 'strangest' part is the fact that on that day, it was a holiday in Huelva. And the McCanns didn't schedule any meetings, everything was closed - and there was a big agitation at the city center. At a time when the inspectors are trying to reconstitute thousands of 'unjustified' kilometers that the Renault Scenic made during this period, CM knows there was even a meeting between the leaders of the investigation and the Spanish police. After the detection of residues that may lead to the presence of the body inside the car, the PJ, besides failing to find a justification for the exaggerated amount of kilometers travelled, already owns several images of the passage of that van through Spain, on August 3. The van may contain the key to the crime. Kilometres have not been justified PJ owns the records of the kilometers that were made with the van, between May 27 and July 3. The distances are being checked, in order to try to reconstitute the locations where the van that was hired by the McCanns passed through. Residues collected in August The blood residues that are presumed to belong to Madeleine, were collected inside the car in early August. THat was also the time when the English dogs smelled cadaver odour inside the boot, and on the vehicle's key. (...) Results delayed PJ still awaits the results from analyses that are being performed on the rest of the residues that were collected inside the McCanns' car and in the apartment. They are not expected this week. Awaiting interrogations The POlicia Judiciaria is preparing the request letters that will be sent to England. The purpose is to interrogate the McCanns and their friends. |
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Re：HUELVA (from Wayback Machine recovery) Date Posted：06/07/2023 11:50 AMCopy HTML Re：HUELVA Trip Date Posted：12/04/2010 2:20 AMCopy HTML The Huelva trip timeline The Sun<!--"''"--> Diagram text: Distance from city to city by car is approx. 110 miles JOURNEY TO SPAIN The McCanns left Praia da Luz at 9am on August 3 along with Gerry's brother John and a cameraman hired to take footage for website findmadeleine.com They travelled east on the A22 and arrived in Huelva at 12.15pm after stopping at a service station for fuel. They were expected at 11am. POSTER DRIVE Kate and Gerry began distributing leaflets and posters about Madeleine. At 1pm they arrived at the train station to hand out more, then to the cathedral at 1.30pm and bus station at 2pm. They headed back to Praia da Luz at 2.20pm. Note: It was Jon Corner who accompanied the McCanns to Huelva, as seen in the Panorama footage and the photograph reproduced further down this page. There is no evidence to suggest that John McCann was in Portugal at that time. The claim that the McCanns arrived in Huelva at 12.15pm is contradicted by a witness, in the PJ files, who claims to have seen the McCanns in the centre of Huelva, in their Renault Scenic hire car, at 11.20am. |
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Re：HUELVA (from Wayback Machine recovery) Date Posted：06/07/2023 11:54 AMCopy HTML Re：HUELVA Trip
Date Posted：01/24/2014 6:40 PM
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There is a Roman Catholic Cemetery just north of Huelva.
The British Cemetery, called "Nuestra Señora de la Soledad", BELONGS TO THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT. It is in a countryside area outside of town so can be difficult to locate. If you are able to look on 'Google Maps', you will see a semicircular shaped building approximately 4 kilometeres north-east of the town and this adjoins the town cemetery.
In this cemetery is the grave of Glyndwr Michael who served his country during the Second World War under the assumed rank and name of Major William Martin, Royal Marines. History knows him as "THE MAN WHO NEVER WAS".
Is the girl who has not been found buried there?
There is a Roman Catholic Cemetery just north of Huelva.
The British Cemetery, called "Nuestra Señora de la Soledad", BELONGS TO THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT. It is in a countryside area outside of town so can be difficult to locate. If you are able to look on 'Google Maps', you will see a semicircular shaped building approximately 4 kilometeres north-east of the town and this adjoins the town cemetery.
In this cemetery is the grave of Glyndwr Michael who served his country during the Second World War under the assumed rank and name of Major William Martin, Royal Marines. History knows him as "THE MAN WHO NEVER WAS".
Is the girl who has not been found buried there?
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Myra Coogan I doubt very much that we will ever know what became of Maddie
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Christine Smith An intriguing thought Steve!
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Frances Gallagher Very interesting Steve, Have you any more information on this. .Am heading out but would like to have a look at this later. A link here for newbies on the trip to Huelva.http://www.mccannfiles.com/id168.html
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Janet Cocking no I don't think she is
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Katie Doney Very interesting Steve,love your posts
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Janet Cocking would be interesting to know of any new burials made around the area or in the "triangle" during the early part of that week
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Steve Marsden Jon Corner made Huelva his base when he traveled there to make a documentary. That has always intrigued me because Huelva is in the wrong direction to Praia da Luz assuming he landed at Faro. Why would you go to visit your best friends in PDL but make your "base" 190km (380km round trip) away? Like everything in this case, it makes no sense at all.
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Gill Ashton I know that is irony, Steve but - EVERYthing makes sense of course. Great question.
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Gill Dowling Am convinced that Heulva has a lot to do with this mystery. Always have been. They went there on a day when it was shut ! !
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Steve Marsden In June 2011 I wrote "In the Panorama documentary “The Mystery of Madeleine McCann” aired on November 19, 2007, Jon Corner showed footage of the car boot with posters in it but curiously he didn’t answer “no” when asked if Madeleine was in that car boot. He simply said that the boot was full of posters and they went to Huelva to increase awareness."
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Christine Smith Yes and have they ever been asked to explain the mileage that day - so many questions they haven't answered!
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Gill Dowling over 40 at the last count Christine Smith!
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Gill Ashton That bit about the three months visit is interesting, if true (never heard it before). Because they initially planned to go on the 2nd, which we know is stated to be the anniversary...
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