post JJ
My first interest is, I would like to know the truth of Madeleines fate and my second is how the myths and legends concerning the case, have grown up.
In the early days many of the myths can be found to lead back to Clarence Mitchell, and the reason is, a basic of life.He was paid, he did it for money the Macs are his clients.
But now a strange phenomenon, most of the myths of the last 18 months emanate from TB. So what is his reason? is somebody offering him money, a deal, or is it his ego?
There are many myths we can explore some absolutely crucial to the case where TB has deliberately lied informing anyone who would listen. But we need to begin somewhere that is simple to understand.
After CW in October 2013, TB has taken every opportunity to dismiss the Smiths as liars. Why, we can only guess but he wrote a piece on CMOMM on October 25th 2013 entitled Smithman 17 Remarkable Similarities between Smithman and Tannerman and listed the 17.
Certain people checked and although it sounds damming, there are not 17 similiarities. Miuch discussion followed but he blasted anyone who pointed out his errors, many were banned.
To keep this short, one example. JT said the child was blonde.THIS IS NOT TRUE.
If TB can produce any police statement by JT stating the childs hair colour, let him produce it
.He has lied but 17 remarkable similiarities have gained credence on the internet.
Several other statements on this one posting alone, are also untrue and that is just the start.
The errors cannot be genuine mistakes, as he has been shown his statements are false by many different posters. He could recheck his facts and admit his error, we all make them, but does he do so?.
No, he does not, he blindly keeps pushing the blame in the direction of Murat and the denigration of the Smiths, strangely away from the Macs and the Tapas 7. Why would anyone do that?
TB has stated on the Smithman thread that it could not be Gerry the Smiths saw, as a number of witnesses testify Gerry was seen around the Tapas between 9.30 and 10.30pm.
TB states among the witnesses who can confirm Gerrys presence are:
Gerry Mccann, Kate Mccann, Matt Oldfield ,Rachael Oldfield, Fiona Payne, David Payne, DW, RO'B, JT.........
As John McEnroe famously said "you cannot be serious"
Too many people believe his research, too few check it and if they do they will be shocked.
I agree with JJ, that the myths and legends 'established' on CMoMM need to be challenged. Unfortunately, the dominant ideas, and they are only ideas have taken hold because other commentators views were dismissed and pursuit of them led to a ban. The '17 similarities' between Tannerman and Smithman for example do not stand up to scrutiny as demonstrated by JJ, how many other myths are equally misleading?
ReplyGreat blog am going to bookmark and this page and look foward to more well written stuff
ReplyCan someone copy the 17 similarities over here? I remember having read them before my ban and, challenged by TB, took about 10 seconds to refer to the most blatant untrues. IIRC never got a reaction from him ... Châtelaine
ReplyChatelaine, can't believe you join the bitch club moaning about TB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
why on earth has it taken some people so long to start asking questions about bennett?
ReplyA large number of people have always questioned bennett - back to anorak and 3As and leaflet days - they have been banned for asking those questions and pointing out where he is wrong wrong wrong.
Why indeed? I suppose it was because many of us were unaware of the goings on at Anorak and the 3As and were far too trusting.
I suppose too, if we are honest, many of us stopped reading the blue diatribes after discovering the flaws, but considered them harmless as they were contained within CMoMM. Questioning was met with yet more blue ink, accusations of belonging to a cult and a ban if we persisted with it.
I'm not making excuses, in fact, I'm feeling pretty stupid right now for not seeing what was going on.
the myths and legends "established" on CMoMM HAVE been challenged for years - you have chosen to ignore those challenges.
ReplyI only read posts on CMoMM and I would also like to see a copy of the 17 similarities again if possible, I have my own views that the Smith family are genuine, and I remember scrolling through all the blue ink on TB's posts that nothing actually registered.
ReplyDitto! I always skipped his posts for the simple reason from Day 1, I never believed Tannrman ever exised, therefore in my mind there was no comparison to be made.
Am I glad now that I never wasted my time:))
Isn't it rather Bennettesque to go through his 17 similarities and rebut them one by one, surely we can just dismiss the whole shebang as a) Tannerman does not exist - or is crecheman on his way home, so not heading to beach 30 mins later and b) Smith is not a liar. It's probably a good idea to broadly check myths he has propagated but not to delve into the warped workings of his mind in any great detail.
ReplyWhat a great post, JJ.
ReplyHere are TB's supposed 17 similarities between Tanner and Smiths:
Reply"However, let us return to the similarities between the original descriptions given by Jane Tanner and the Smiths, both in May 2007. These were:
1. An unaccompanied male
2. Carrying a child and having no push-chair
3. The child was blonde
4. The child was a girl
5. The child was barefoot
6. The child was wearing light-coloured/pink pyjamas
7. She looked about four years old
8. She was being held on the man’s left side
9. She didn’t have a blanket or other covering
10. The men did not look like tourists
11. They were wearing a dark jacket
12. They were wearing light-coloured trousers
13. They were both about 1.75m to 1.8m tall (5’ 9” – 5’ 10”)
14. They were both aged 35-40
15. They were of average build
16. They were spotted within 600 yards of each other
17. In neither case could the man’s face be seen."
Don't have time atm, but will have a look later.
Yes I can go with that, well put together and so simple to understand phew!!!
ReplyThe child was blonde (No.3) is clearly wrong as Jane Tanner said she only saw the child's feet and legs.
ReplyIn any case it wouldn't be all that surprising if there were a lot of similarities between Smithman and Tannerman, for one thing the child seen by the Smiths resembled Madeleine, and the child seen by Tanner would have to look like Madeleine also, for another both sightings were of males. (Assuming Tanner did make up her sighting, do you suppose the intention was to say that she saw her man, which definitely was not Gerry because she had just seen him, and the Smiths saw the same man, and therefore that was not Gerry either? Perhaps she had to invent another man in PdL that night who wore similar clothes to Gerry?) My view about TB is that once he gets an idea into his head, rightly or wrongly, you can't shake it.
ReplyThis man has now allegedly been "traced" and "cleared". There are photos on the web of the pyjamas and the man supposedly standing in a pose holding a child. His name has not been disclosed and this is not surprising; no one would want in any way to be linked with this investigation. Look what happened to poor old Murat!
Re 17 similarities above, they are not amazing similarities are they? If both had reported that the men were wearing sombreros and / or wellington boots and both carrying violin cases for example, that would be something to remark upon
Replygood God - discussing bennett's rubbish now.
ReplyHe loves numbered lists - ignore it.
60 reasons etc etc etc with loads of blue font
July 5, 2013
Replyhttp://lhro.wordpress.com/2013/07/05/195-leads-for-scotland-yard-in-mccann-investigation/
SMITH SIGHTING
31 A family of 7 encounter a man carrying a child while going home from a pub at 22:00 on May 3rd.
32 The child is of Madeleine’s age and height and resembles Madeleine
33 The man is of the same height, has the same hair and general appearance of Gerry McCann
34 Mr Smith is 60-80 % certain that the person they saw was Gerry McCann
35 Aoife Smith describes the pants of the man as having buttons as ornaments
36 Gerry McCann is photographed once as owning such pants
37 The time of the encounter is the exact same time as the alleged detection of the disappearance although latter is not corroborated by independent witnesses
38 The sighting – although reported once in an irish paper – is never picked up by british media or the McCanns although it would have been the best confirmation for an abduction.
39 Only two years later the Smith sighting becomes part of their “documentary” although the key points get changed to fit the Tanner sighting
40 Pressure put on the PJ to highlight the Tanner sighting came at exactly the same time as the Smith family were being brought back to Portugal to go over the sighting in more detail
41 The sighting was in a different part of town from the Tanner sighting
42 The carrying style was completely different to that of the Tanner sighting
43 The man was heading in a completely different direction from the Tanner sighting
44 There was a time difference of 45 minutes between both sightings
45 Goncalo Amaral was removed from the case just when he tried to get the Smiths to Portugal again
46 Brian Kennedy contacted the Smiths to get them to take part in creating a photofit.
47 No innocent person ever came forward regarding the sighting
48 The child was carried without a blanket despite the cold night
Off topic, I know. But does anyone know what happened to ultima Thule? my favourite poster ( or one of, I should say)..seems to be logged in alot but never posts anymore :(
ReplyI have noted this also,I think the last post was around the end of July,I put it down to the fact that U.T's posts were mainly on legal issues.I hope he/she is a genuine poster as at times it did seem like he/she was having a go at Cristobell,only my observations.
Ultimate Fool? He's one of the main distractors in my opinion. He has several modus operandi: use latin to look intelligent (yes, intentional use of latin here), belittle people for their ideas or lack of knowledge about the case, accuse people of being someone they're not and, when people start making headway against him, take it back to "all this fighting is missing the point - it's supposed to be about a little girl...) thus making everyone ashamed and chastened for being off topic and selfish despite the fact that UF was often the one who dragged it off topic in the first place.
ReplyAh, that's better. I've been holding on to that for a long time.
Better out than in! lol. I have to agree Ultimate Fool is more appropriate. He/she made startling errors with their professed legal knowledge (google can't tell you everything), especially in describing a Writ as a Plaint, something that even the lowliest legal secretary would not get wrong.
HE/SHE is also a anti- scottish bigot .
Had she said the same about jews ,blacks ,gays etc she would have been on a hate crime charge.
Bennett has now published a long tract on Murat, by means of a sock. How many more socks need to be exposed? MJC for one, Fleffer was obvious, other may not be.
ReplyJust had a look. I see it is Sharon, Admin, who has put up the long post about Murat. Funnily enough it was Sharon who oversaw the baiting from Plebgate and Aiyoyo and who responded immediately with a ban as soon I replied.
She is as keen as Tony to implicate Robert Murat.
One point that Bennett makes ad nauseam is about the '17 Lies' of Robert Murat when he was first questioned by the PJ. It is certainly true that he did lie many times over, so why do you think he did. RH?
I think this is addressed to JJ, but if I may throw my two penny worth in, I think RM's eyes lit up when he saw the world's media arrive on his doorstep, quite literally.
His initial involvement, like that of everyone else, was a desire to help, a 3/4 year old child was missing, anyone of us on here, if we were in the area would have offered our help, with the searching, at the very least. RM could speak fluent English and fluent Portuguese, he did the decent thing, he offered his assistance. RM's initial response was compassion, so too compassion from his mother, who set up a stall to spread the message.
But back to the eyes lighting up at the ££££ signs. Newhounds would have torn each other's throats out to get inside knowledge on this phenomenal case, camera crews were arriving from all over the world, along with lawyers, government representatives, police (yeh I know!), security agencies, psychologists etc, etc, - chancers the lot of them, all looking for that big break - the one that would pay the mortgage off and put their name in lights. RM was no better or worse than any of them, and about the same as 25% of the population, those who secretly want to be at the centre of a media storm.
Why did lie? I would have see the bright blue list of RM's lies (again) - I did actually put forward alternate explanations for each of them in bright red on CMoMM but Tony didn't reply.
But sorting the wheat from the chaff, the PJ must have been satisfied with RM's explanation, because there were no question marks over his head when the case was shelved, as there were with the McCanns. Not forgetting of course, that the most knowledgeable detective on this case Goncalo Amaral does not consider him a suspect, and the book of Goncalo Amaral, The Truth of the Lie, is the definitive account of the original Portuguese investigation. To be honest, I think there is something slightly absurd about the idea that an armchair detective could possibly know more than those on the front line.
RM was far from the only one. And in fairness to RM, at least 25% of the population would have acted the same way that he did.
Sharon is 'in it' with Tony. PLEASE do not listen to what the pair of them say.
ReplyJH members. Can you not see what is/has been going on. Very obvious. Surely you are not all stupid.
Anonymous @ 30 August 2014 01:05
Don't really care anon, not so stupid as not being able to think for myself. Think you will find it inevitable that someone will try to dominate a forum or blog. If you don't like or agree, just ignore it. Life is bumpy enough without worrying about what people you don't even know think do and say.
Horatio.
What is the 'it' you speak of, and what has been 'going on'. Please explain
Is there any way of organising posts and replies so that when you visit a page again, you don't have to scroll through from the first post? Unless it is my computer playing up, instead of a post dated 29th August e.g. noting the post being replied to, e.g. 27th August, I see the reply up the page next to the post it belongs to, even though maybe penned days later. Could it not be set out in order of date and posts, with a ref from poster of the date of the post being commented on. It is very time consuming, having to check whether posts have replies by scrolling through and trying to remember if you read them before, or are they recently posted but slotted in under the originals from perhaps days before.
ReplyIf it is my computer and not the layout of the page here, can anyone please advise how I can more easily read the comments and responses?
Many thanks !
It isn't just your computer. It seems to be the fomat of this blog. I was wondering myself a few days ago whether Ros could change the order of the posts, as you say, it is time consuming scrolling through all the posts from the first one to find new replies.
We're waiting for the forum to start aren't we? Meanwhile Maddiemaccannmystery.forumotion.net. Is a place to visit. Quite a few well known faces, - I was looking for a post which must have gone since this morning. About the Murat post on JH.
We're waiting for the forum to start aren't we? Meanwhile Maddiemaccannmystery.forumotion.net. Is a place to visit. Quite a few well known faces, - I was looking for a post which must have gone since this morning. About the Murat post on JH.
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Who owns that blog? Is it genuine or owned by a McCann shill?
Is it safe to log on? Do you know who is saving your information when you long on?
You say you lost a post which disappeared this morning which was about Murat on the JH forum. Doesn't that tell you something or am I being paranoid?
Apologies, I wish I could change the format around, but this is a blog rather than forum, and doesn't seem to have the facility. I'm so sorry, as I agree, it is rather difficult to keep up with.
There is a new forum run by Candyfloss that has similar format to the old JH, and it has a nice welcoming feel :)
http://maddiemccannmystery.forumotion.co.uk/forum
Aha, so that's where Candyfloss has gone. I'll have to check it out. Candyfloss always seemed okay as far as I'm concerned.
Candyfloss, like ourselves wants the truth, and she was always a fair moderator.
Amen to that. I've joined her site thanks to your link.
I don't seem to be able to locate the new forum. I cannot see any reason why I would be banned. I have been a member of JH's for quite some time. Is anyone else having problems or is it just me?
A few have had problems registering, do please keep trying, I am sure it is just teething troubles :)
JJ, what is your answer to Bennett's point that the Smiths never reported their sighting for 2 weeks. You must admit that's a bit odd
ReplyPerhaps the Smiths had more important things in life to do and interest them unlike Bennett. Maybe the Smiths don't have a TV and don't read newspapers. If they were on holiday and they were a large family they could fill their lives with walking, playing games, swimming etc. They could have been cut off from the outside world, many people go on holiday to get away from the world they live in and want to distance themselves from their everyday humdrum lives.
Who knows why they didn't report the sighting. If they haven't got a TV at home they may not have known about missing Madeleine. There is a certain religion who do not have TVs, may be they belong to that religion.
Who knows but it is not up to TB to delve into their private lives, that is totally unacceptable.
Anonymous @ 30 August 2014 12:09
The Smiths knew about Madeleine the following day (Friday 4th May) so that can't be used an excuse.
This has nothing to do with TB delving into anyone's private life, in my opinion it is a genuine question, why did it take so long for the Smiths to report their sighting?
Horatio.
They must have a TV because they said they were watching the news when the McCanns returned from Portugal and Mr Smith saw the way Gerry McCann walked and carried his youngster and he believed it was him he saw that night in Praia da Luz.
There was a report of Mr Smith claiming that he initially contacted the police the day after returning home (so 2 days later, not 2 weeks) to say they had seen a man carrying a young girl that night (I think it was a report in an Irish newspaper).
If that is true, it sort of smashes TB's theory to pieces.
They reported it to the Portuguese police 2 days after according to a Mirror article, but the police did not take it seriously as they were focused on Tannerman.
Anonymous @ 30 August 2014 14:06
I need more than a report from the Mirror to convince me, any more than I can believe that the police wouldn't take a reported sighting, on the night of MBM's disappearance, seriously. Why would they ignore one sighting because they were focused on another? Why should they assume that one is more likely than another?
If and when someone can provide some positive evidence that the Smiths reported their sighting 2 days after then, and only then, will I take it seriously.
Horatio.
You may need more than a Mirror report to convince you Horatio, but basically tough! This family do not have to account to you, or indeed to anyone outside of the investigation. No-one on here or elsewhere has the right to interrogate witnesses for the Crown. There are clear legal and moral boundaries.
These people don't have to explain anything to you and it is wrong of you to take their silence as incriminating. They are doing the right thing. You are not.
Rosalinda Hutton @ 30 August 2014 15:55
I can't understand why you are taking umbrage, my comments were meant without malice of any description. The Smith's sighting was part of the process so I would think open to discussion, as any other aspect documented in the released pj files.
I haven't tried to interrogate any witnesses neither would I and I don't ask that any witness explain themselves to me. I haven't even suggested that the Smith's silence is incriminating, I only wonder why they didn't report the sighting the following day.
I have an inquisitive mind which has always served me well, I see no harm in that. Trusting you will show a little more respect to members of your new forum otherwise I don't think it will last very long.
Horatio.
Bennett's ridiculously long analysis of a book that he has not even read is yet again a pointless attention seeking post. When will he realise that his opinion is worth absolutely nothing and just shows him as a jealous failure in life.
ReplySomeone should open a forum "Complete mystery of Bennett" and see how he likes every aspect of his life analysed in public. With photo critiques and research into everyone he has ever had contact with. Photos of his house and security system. Innuendo from people in a pub. Direct allegations about him which cannot be proved. Publish any and all confidential correspondence with him. Mock and make fun of the way he looks, talks and dresses.
ReplyThe list could go on and on.
"Mock and make fun of the way he looks, talks and dresses". Is this really an adult discussion or bitchy 8 yr olds in the playground? Why would anyone want to mock a person who has done so much work. TBs only problem afaics is his black and white thinking and how he takes things literally. TB-R has likened it to being on the autism spectrum which I tend to agree with - think of the lists, the methodical thinking, the ability to retrieve information readily. I really don`t think there is anything devious or sinister going on - he just believes fixedly he is on the right track. He`s polite and helpful and I`m fed up with posters who can do nothing but hurl abuse at the man. Yes, he makes mistakes, but he`s human. How many of us have his courage? - that`s if it is courage or an inability to gauge the consequences of his actions.
You really don't understand Tony at all if that is what you believe (14:01). Tony thrives on controversy and difference of opinion. If you say one thing, he will say the opposite. If the Pope were to canonise him, he would be the Patron Saint of Lost Causes. He picks the underdog, the toughest fight and the most controversial ideas (UKIP, Creationism). He invites the rocks and stones, the worst that could happen would be lack of interest.
He has been pilloried for years, probably not just for the Madeleine case, he seeks to be controversial. Having said all that, I dislike criticism of people's looks or mockery in any way and would ask that people cut it out.
Whilst I agree we should challenge the myths Tony has created in this case, I would urge people to err towards compassion with regard to any mental health problems he may have.
I don`t see that what you have written from "Tony thrives on controversy ............... interest" is something to slam him for - I would consider that to be a humane trait, part of his personality. Personally I admire people who have the rebel in them, who are willing to confront corruption. He enjoys debating, controversy and difference of opinion - so do I and so do you Cristobell. You are proud of being a rebel too. I would not go so far as to say its a mental health problem, just a mind-set. Mental health is another subject on which every one of us is on the sliding scale of `normality`.
Mental health manifests as flow and flexibility. A very fixed viewpoint that refuses to budge despite the facts is not healthy.
@Anon 31st 03:
Mental health is not manifested by flow and flexibility, weak people can always be relied on to take the path of least resistance, and conveniently go with the flow.
We all know such people, not to be trusted at all, as one may well be stabbed in the back.
A blog gives the opportunity where scores can be settled it appears.
ReplyIt was Cristobell who was unable to grasp the meaning of the word 'plaint' and took it to mean writ.
This won't get posted but I'm keeping an eye on further lies, Cristobell and will find a way of making them public.
Watch away UF, a Plaint still aint a Writ, lol.
if someone posts as Anonymous - how do you know who they are?
It was an educated guess.
DIng Dong Bell, you are the biggest fool for being selective about what you print. You have been trolled.
Ding Dong the Witch Bell is dead.
Yeh, I've binned all your other shite, but this I have let through. Death threats? Seriously?
I have actually spammed your hate filled gibberish, ergo, its still there. So dear Lord, if I should die before I wake, I pray the police, my laptop do take.
Is anyone else having problems joining the new forum? I got sent an email but the link I am supposed to click, to activate my account, is a dud.
ReplyThe link is fine :
http://maddiemccannmystery.forumotion.co.uk/forum
Do you know who that link belongs to Ros? Are you 100% sure it is OK for people to log on to?
I'm only asking as I am very sceptical about logging on to websites that I'm not sure of.
The link may be find but is the website fine?
It is run by Candyfloss which I hope reassures you, and there are already quite a few familiar names there. :)
Thanks CB
How come the links on here are in grey and unworkable?
ReplyI have logged on there myself and it seems 100% Kosher. I think it will soon be the place to be. Already quite a few of the trustworthy posters from JH have registered there...just hoping the rest will follow suit!
Thomas: Not sure what happened to you, I had no such problem. I must admit, initially I thought it hadn't registered me, as you still get a message to say you must register although you have. I just ignored that and pressed ahead. It was ok. The other thing i did find annoying was the add screaming at the top of th page every so often, but I just muted the volume:)
Apologies that the links do not light up and don't know how to solve this. Maybe copy and paste?
Eventually I was able to log on Anon at 14.32 . I think maybe you just have to wait 20 mins or so and then you will get access to the site.
Yes, the idea that a whole family lied is ludicrous and paranoid. That's when I knew that forum was conflicted. It's not easy to strike out, but well done the banned posters who decided enough was enuff!
Replyre the new forum run by CF, have tried copy and paste, all that comes up is a link to this forum....any advice?
ReplyJust type it in yourself and the site does come up.
http://maddiemccannmystery.forumotion.co.uk/
Type this into your browser and press enter. Good luck
Replymaddiemccannmystery.forumotion.co.uk
I note that Bernard Hogan-Who has stated that the Met will not be reducing the size of its investigation team. Redwood is still in charge. Both of these individuals are as much patsies as are the 'arguidos' who keep popping up. We already know that on the balance of probability there was a cover-up of massive proportion and no doubt this will remain the case. There are far too many reputations at stake to allow the investigation to turn on K & G et al, unless they have the evidence. Let's not forget that some of that evidence has already been cleared out of the FSS labs. Perhaps justice will be served a different way when the Mc's latest case in Portugal is not found in their favour, the fund dries up because nobody donates to it and they finally have to realise that they have brought it all on themselves. I feel sorry for the twins, at least Madeleine doesn't have to live with these people anymore.
Reply"I feel sorry for the twins, at least Madeleine doesn't have to live with these people anymore."
It has been mentioned that Madeleine didn't live with the McCanns anyway, that's why K & G knew so little about her and KM made up stories about Madeleine in her book which turned out to be all about KM anyway.
As to your comment regarding a cover up, that it just your opinion. There are many people who believe that the PJ and SY are working together but it is a very difficult case as they may also be looking at a fraudulent fund, which could take years to unravel where all the money has gone and who was involved in squirreling it away.
lol, investigating the fund! That's the last place they'll be looking at. The Met are under orders to keep the truth from coming out.
"The Met are under orders to keep the truth from coming out."
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And you know that how? Do you have inside information or is that just your opinion?
It doesn't take much to work out. If a Police Force has already admitted to spending millions of tax payers money (in austere times I might add) in a foreign country where they have to be invited, to investigate the improbable, then they are under orders. I can not see the Met playing out some kind of charade in order to later say, "we've exhausted all other possible leads so we'll now look at the blatantly obvious". There is overwhelming evidence that points in one direction that is being completely ignored. There is much at stake here and I'm not talking about the reputation of the Mc's and friends.
That is only your opinion.
As to the overwhelming evidence that has completely being ignored as you put it - how do you know it's being ignored. Are you part of the investigation team, have you inside information no-one else has?
Please let us know, we're all ears.
I don't know if its the new forum or the revelations here, but I'm being spammed by some very sick minds, shudder to think what lies beneath the very disturbing violent sexual threats and imagery these deranged creatures come up with, but I am sure the police will have no problem in tracking them down.
ReplyIf they're McCann supporters it doesn't say much for the company the McCanns keep. I've always wondered why the McCanns have never distanced themselves from the foul-mouthed, disturbed pro-McCannites, or could it be that they are family and are paid (from the Ltd Fund) to lay into McCann disbelievers. I would be very distressed if my child had been abducted and these gutter-dwelling lowlifes were supporting me in my search for my child. In fact I would be horrified and would do and say everything to distance myself from them, but it doesn't seem to bother the McCanns, now I wonder why that is?
31 August 2014 04:23
I would be very distressed if my child had been abducted and these gutter-dwelling lowlifes were supporting me in my search for my child. In fact I would be horrified and would do and say everything to distance myself from them,
I couldn't agree more.
but it doesn't seem to bother the McCanns, now I wonder why that is?
So do I.
bennett's got his blue ink out again for Murat.
Replyand rather than use actual factual quotes for Murat, bennett has decided to use "poetic licence" to make it more "conversational".
ReplyI see the Smithman /Gerry thread is kicking off again,Dido thinks she may be banned.
ReplyDido says she knows the Smith family and speaks highly of their integrity.
Right - never mind whether you believe astrology or not. For those intent on having a go at TB - read this :-
Reply"Virgo
August 23 - September 22
Virgo is the sixth sign of the zodiac, to be exact, and that's the way Virgos like it: exacting. Those born under this sign are forever the butt of jokes for being so picky and critical (and they can be), but their 'attention to detail' is for a reason: to help others. Virgos, more than any other sign, were born to serve, and it gives them great joy. They are also tailor-made for the job, since they are industrious, methodical and efficient. The sense of duty borne by these folks is considerable, and it ensures that they will always work for the greater good.
Virgo is represented by the Virgin, although this association should not be taken literally. Rather, Virgos tend to take on some of the qualities of a Virgin, things like modesty and humanity. Some might consider them repressed, although Virgins would argue that it's a noble quality, as opposed to a negative one. Most of all, Virgos enjoy indulging their practical and logical side and poring over their projects to the nth degree. To say these folks are good at fact-finding almost understates the case, since Virgos revel in their exacting (some would argue pedantic) behavior and are a whiz with minutiae. Virgins are an asset in the workplace as they can be counted on to get things right the first time, every time -- and no detail will be overlooked. They are also balanced and fair in their assessments in keeping with the Mutable Quality assigned to this sign.
A Virgo's brain is in overdrive most of the time, which is why these folks get so much done. Those born under this sign are also able communicators and use their mental acuity to maximum advantage. All of this brainpower can make Virgos prone to skepticism, and can even lead to the kind of over-think that surely leads to overkill. Thankfully, though, Virgos are also a studious lot and can temper their worst impulses with a bit of careful analysis. Virgos enjoy studying a situation in great detail, whether it's a work project or a friendship. Virgos are truly interested in understanding things. The bane of many Virgos is the perfectionism that can get in the way of their usual clear thinking. ' Along those lines, Virgos are also neat and clean, save for the occasional sloppy Virgo (they do exist). Virgos are also reliable and practical and oh-so-useful to have around.
The Element associated with Virgo is Earth, and in keeping with that, most Virgos are grounded, salt-of-the-earth types. The flash and dash can go to others, since Virgos would much rather be humble and easy-going. That said, Virgins do enjoy material possessions and are (dare we say?) picky about what they bring into their lives. Some might even go as far as calling them self-centered, but it's really more of a desire to surround themselves with what's right -- for them. This knack for discernment also serves Virgos well in business, where their decisions are usually dead-on. Those born under this sign are eminently sensible and use their critical eye well. While Virgos can be worrywarts, they do their best to temper these impulses. However, if this nervousness goes unchecked, it can lead to hypochondria, that ugly skeleton in the Virgo's closet. For that reason, Virgos are extremely health conscious, to the point of being storehouses of information on diet and hygiene. Many Virgos even choose a health or medical career so they won't miss a beat.
The great strength of the Virgo-born is in their practicality, sharp mind and attention to detail. When merged with their willingness to serve, Virgos become essential helpmates. They can be picky -- so what?
That is just his sun sign, to have any insight into his personality at all you would need the time and place of birth and to look at the houses and aspects of his natal chart. Otherwise 1/12 of the population would be identical.
I have thank you but I`m not going to go into the finer details on a non-astro blog.
Thanks for that long diatribe TB.
ReplyI picked up on this sentence:
"Many Virgos even choose a health or medical career so they won't miss a beat."
Pehaps your chosen career of being a solicitor wasn't the right path to take as you were very slow in deducing that you were being conned into parting with a copy of your "60 reasons" leaflet into the hands of a professional con merchant, most probably paid for by the McCanns. You certainly missed a beat being a solicitor.
Seeing you're on the side of the McCanns perhaps you should have gone into the medical profession after all, you would have fitted in well there.
They all seem to cover each others' backs.
Hi can you be more explicit with regards to T.B.parting with a copy of his "60 reasons" leaflet into the hands of a con merchant,have not heard this before. I will say though nothing surprises me.
Hi can you be more explicit with regards to T.B.parting with a copy of his "60 reasons" leaflet into the hands of a con merchant,have not heard this before. I will say though nothing surprises me.
TB was under strict orders by the Court not to distribute any further copies of his "60 reasons" leaflet, otherwise he would be in serious trouble. He was contacted by someone who was purporting to be doing "research" into the disappearance of MBM, and TB sent that person a copy, hence he had been caught by the short and curlies due to his own "ego" getting the better of him.
The person who bought the copy of the leaflet had to admit in Court that he did it to catch TB out.
That's how I remember it, anyhow. I may not have included all of the details but that's all I remember.
Mike Gunnill was the one he posted it to - his ego couldn't stop him - but CR did.
Hence why he doesn't want to be linked to the Richard Hall DVD - we all know that bennett was a major contributor.
Thanks for that. I remember now, Mike Gunnill, was the person, I couldn't think of his name when I was posting. If the poster at 07.21/07.59 does some research on that name I'm sure he/she will find out more details about the case.
I wonder if Richard Hall realises who he has got mixed up with making those videos, or if he was an innocent party in a project that looked very good at the time.
It's not going to do his reputation much good if he finds out that TB is in the McCann camp.
The 17 deliberate lies of Robert Murat by Tony Bennett.
ReplySounds damming doesn't it, but let us consider ourselves in Murat's place for a moment.
You go from an easy going person who wishes to help and possibly earn money translating, to in a flash, a reviled suspect in child abduction and worse.
Police invade your home tear it apart looking for a childs body. Seize your possessions, arrest you and take you through hostile crowds to a Police Station.
You are subject to intense questioning urging you to confess to something you have not done. It would be reasonable for you to be in shock, stunned, traumatised, scared, bewildered, anguished, angry upset and unable to think clearly. You are ordered to recall every single detail of your life on May 1st, May 2nd, May 3rd and May 4th.
It is now 10 to 14 days later, you try but are tired and confused and under extreme duress.
It should be noted that at no time did Murat refuse to answer or hide behind a solicitor, so let us look at a few of the' heinous lies' RM told.
1; Murat forgot to mention he knocked on somebodys door but they weren't in.
2; Murat forgot he had been to the bank.
3; Murat could not recall the exact amount he paid in.
4; Murat could not recall exactly how long a meeting took.
5; Murat could not remember the exact time he woke up on the Wednesday/Thursday, he thought about 9, but it was earlier, according to a witness.
6. He stated he woke up about 9am on Friday 4th May, Police could prove it was nearer to 8.30am.
Where is the substance?
Can any of us, including TB, remember everything we did, 11, 12, 13 days before?
I suggest not and we are not under severe duress. I would further suggest of all people TB would have some sympathy and compassion for Murat because when TB was under severe stress he completely forgot on several occasions that he was going to the High Court for Contempt and told many people it was for Libel, but did we assume he was deliberately lying?
People under duress say and do stupid silly things. But TB should also take into account, unlike himself, Murat had no criminal record and so didn't have Tony's expertise on how precise you had to be in a police interview.
All 'deliberate' lies or just a man struggling on the edge?
Why TB recites the 17 lies ad nauseam as one poster wrote, will tie up shortly with Buried by the Mainstream Media and TB's agenda.
bennett believes that other people deliberately lie because bennett himself has deliberately lied in the past - Ray Stevens is just one example.
There is no getting round the truth that bennett is an habitual and proven liar.
Who on earth is Ray Stevens? I keep seeing that name being mentioned here and there but have no idea who he is. Have I been missing out on something?
Sorry to sound dense if I've overlooked something staring me in the face.
Who is Ray Stevens in this context? Presumably not the American singer.
Having looked up Ray Stevens on the internet, his name rang a bell from long ago, are you saying that songs such as "Misty" were not sung by RS, but he was going along with the "dream" that he was a superstar on the back on someone else?
What a shame, I loved that record "Misty", although it now shatters a dream if it wasn't RS singing it but someone else. Is nothing sacred in this world??
Oh dear, comparing TB to RS, I don't know what to say, except for TB has a huge bill to pay whereas if RS got away with his scam no doubt he made £millions, just like the McCanns.
Oh, I've just found another Ray Stevens "the Crippler", a wrestler.
I'm very confused now!
Another great post JJ. I've always felt rather sorry for Robert Murat for the reasons you have given above. It is hard to imagine how he must have felt, a bit like the Wicker Man I would think. In addition he was caught between an ex wife and a girlfriend - some might say, the devil and the deep blue sea.
bennett lied to the police about his name when he was arrested during his anti metric road signs campaign.
Ask him what name he used!
Was it Ray Stevens? I haven't heard about TB's anti metric road signs campaign. There's a lot coming out about TB that none of us who have been searching for the truth for MBM have ever heard before,
Poor Ray Stevens, can TB sing like RS by any chance, if not what an insult to RS taking his name when you can't even sing like him.
I'll bet after a few whiskies, Tony Bennett could give you a fine rendition of Ray Stevens' Bridget The Midget (the queen of the blues).
Or maybe he could croon us a few classics in the style of ... Tony Bennett.
A few hours back TB announced, in a long blue rant about the Smiths, that Martin and Mary Smith had separated.
ReplyHe heard about this (quote) "On Martin Smith's Facebook page - someone else, a Smith-doubter like me who is reluctant to post his doubts here, informed me."
On a later visit to the page, this announcement, and doubts expressed by others about its credibility (how many Martin Smiths are there on Facebook?), had been whooshed.
But thank the lord for Google cache,
I hope Smith sues him when this is all over. Although I think he has too much integrity to bother.
To 10:07
Replythat I'd like to know too. Not Tone's finest hour and there have been a plethora since - why not give your real name to the cops? Unless you blooming well know that you have broken the law:
Mr Bennett's dishonesty
Mr Bennett says that he was entitled to remove the signs, which were "illegal", to prevent further breaches of the law. However, when he was challenged he gave a false name, he was nervous and he refused to provide an address and telephone number. He thought that the company would not be too thrilled at having their signs removed. He was anxious not to be arrested again. As a solicitor Mr Bennett must have been well aware of the provisions of the Theft Act and the Criminal Damage Act. They are basic facts of criminal law which every lawyer learns about. He will have been well aware of the clear definition of theft contained in the Act and he will have clearly understood that he did not have any legal rights to appropriate the metric road signs. He suggested that he thought he could rely on the defence in Section 131(2) of the Highways Act 1980.
lol some very TB obsessed people posting here. He's probably loving every bit of it
ReplyI'm not obsessed with TB but it's been an eye opener into his mind and what I've seen I don't really like.
When he was taken to court by the McCanns I was thinking of giving a large donation into his fund as I thought he'd being wronged by the McCanns but having read he brought it upon himself with his arrogance I thought twice about it and decided my money could be better spent elsewhere.
"There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about."
ReplyYou'd be better off just not reading that forum.
Then there's the Stuart Lubbock case
ReplyTone has to stir and stir and stir - he just can't help himself
Guardian 02/03/2009
As the bizarre story of Tony Bennett's role in the campaign unfolds, you begin to wonder what else can possibly happen to Lubbock.
Bennett used to be a Ukip activist and candidate until he was temporarily banned from holding office for publishing a pamphlet branding the Prophet Muhammad a paedophile. In 2004 he became Robert Kilroy-Silk's researcher, and a year or so later became interested in the Lubbock case, offering his services to run a trust and a campaign website. But you have only to read the chapters of Not Awight c0-written by Bennett to see how he feels about homosexuality - and in 2007 a complaint was made about homophobic material on his website. Essex police launched an investigation against Bennett for hate crime, Lubbock was horrified and dispensed with his services, although the police took no further action.
Hey hey - even the Ukippers sent Bennett packing:
ReplyGuardian 03/02/2005
Mr Bennett has been working as a researcher for Mr Kilroy-Silk after being banned, last year, from holding any Ukip office for two years because of his writings on Islam. Mr Kilroy-Silk said at the time that Mr Bennett's remarks about Muhammad had been part of a "reasoned, academic exposition" aimed at explaining the reasons behind the September 11 terrorist attacks.
Mr Kilroy-Silk, 62, elected as a member of the European parliament under the Ukip banner, was sacked from his BBC talk show after writing a newspaper column disparaging Arabs as "limb-amputators".
After failing in his bid to lead Ukip, he left the party last month, accusing its members of being "rightwing fascist nutters". He could not be reached for comment last night.
Nigel Farage, Ukip's leader in the European parliament, said: "Tony Bennett is an energetic campaigner, with some extremely eccentric and individualistic views."
Anyone having trouble accessing the new forum? Took advice not to copy and paste link on here but to type in address on Google and was able to find and register. Now typed in address details and all I get is what was available earlier by c and p the link.. a link to this blog !
ReplyAny ideas? Thanks in advance.
I managed to register yesterday but for some reason I cannot access the site this morning. I used maddiemccannmystery.forumotion.co.uk
Have checked works ok - just type it in address bar. This is another link that works
http://maddiemccannmystery.forumotion.co.uk/forum
For it to work you need to type in the http:// at the beginning, i.e. the whole address - so type or paste this in
http://maddiemccannmystery.forumotion.co.uk/forum
I am glad to know I am not the only one having problems accessing the new site. I have tried but have given up as a lost cause at this stage . I cannot see any reason why I would be banned. I have been a member of Jills for some time now.
It's easy to get banned. All you do is disagree with something Tony says. Ask him awkward questions to back up his facts. Ask for more evidence, then Jill steps in and bans you without warning.
Do you think Bennett has any interest in the fate of Madeleine?
ReplyNo way Jose, his agenda is hate - hate of the RC faith - hate of the professional success of the McCanns - hate of the Smiths - as they are Irish and therefore suspicious.
Hate of the Portuguese - most of whom are also RC and shock/horror - foreign.
I think anyone who massaged Bennetts ego on various fora should feel a tad ashamed - you have been pandering to a racist/homophobic/misogynistic
merchant banker
He seems to be now having a go at another Catholic country, Spain, complaining that armed police [afaik all Spanish police carry a gun] surround Madrid courthouse where parents of Ashya King are present for extradition hearing. Sky showed ONE police officer at the entrance where the car entered the court ].
Reply"Police and medical dictators " says Tony Bennett- now the parents will be sent back to the country they left, it seems. I am sorry to hear they have to go through these proceedings while their son [ who will not be alone in hospital because his siblings can visit him] is being cared for, but I disagree with the social media outcry that they are demonised for loving their son. The hospital in the UK has said that they did NOT tell Ashya's parents there was nothing else to be done for the boy treatment wise, the parents did not like what they WERE told and decided to remove him. UK hospital and a brain tumour professor on Sky said that children have been sent abroad for the therapy wanted by Ashya's family. but a panel has to consider the particulars of each case and if this therapy is appropriate, depending on the features of the brain tumour.
Now there are videos on you tube and an interview with the boy's grandmother for Cameron to get involved and do something to reunite the boy and parents.
I am aware many discussing the McCann case are comparing the way these parents have been demonised while the Mcs were not and in very different circumstances, neglect v love.
I have not heard anyone speaking from UK police to the UK hospital, express anything but sympathy for the family's dilemma, they have not been demonised but criticised for their actions in exposing him to possible deterioration in his condition.
don't forget:bennett as a solicitor:
ReplyOn 9 September 2003 the Solicitors Disciplinary Tribunal found him "guilty of conduct unbefitting a solicitor ... On 15 October 2009 he voluntarily removed himself from the Roll.[6]
well http://maddiemccannmystery.forumotion.co.uk/forum seems to be the place to be:
Reply""BREAKING NEWS: #MadeleineMcCann's parents Kate and Gerry #McCann are rumoured to be emigrating to #France later this year.""
an in depth factual forum eh?
If you care to look at the thread title you will see that it has a question mark after it, because as the OP says, they had just seen it on Twitter.
No-one is suggesting it was 'in depth'.
No-one is suggesting it was;'factual'.
It clearly states that it was a rumour.
Btw, the same rumour is also posted on the JH forum under the sub-heading:
Twitter (News and important information only please)
Just in case you missed it.
Oh dear bennett won't be happy - Swann has been on Sky and another report at 20.30. But of course he can't watch it cos he doesn't have a TV.
ReplyLooking at Bennett's writings on Jill Havern's site tonight, he certainly isn't happy with this forthcoming book. But then is anybody (including you, CB) who is commenting on Bennett actually disagreeing with him on this? Or are you all in favour of this book - which completely exonerates the McCanns and is supposed to be the most definitive account ever of what happened to Madeleine? Surely Bennett has got this right, hasn't he? Sometimes I wonder if most of the 'Anonymous' people here are pro-McCanners who have hated Bennett ever since his 60 Reasons book came out
ReplyThe discussion is continuing on http://maddiemccannmystery.forumotion.co.uk/forum, it is more accessible for discussion.
I know that we shouldn't judge a book by its cover (ouch!) or its pre-publicity, but this one sounds absolutely dreadful.
The myths & legends of TB.
No sooner is he found to be making statements up including JT identifying Tannermans child as blonde, he renews his attack on Robert Murat. Sunday 31st August CMOMM.
The Macs must be pleased with him. This time in his own words he is using 'poetic licence' to advance his deceit.
Bennett these are people's lives you are screwing up, you should report hard facts or shut up.
You embroider the tale every time you tell it.
Do you remember, in order to prove Murat a liar, you included the statements of Jorge Miguel Rocha da Silva, to further your lies.
But da Silva has only one statement in the PJ files if there is more than one prove it.
And can you show where RM insisted da Silva meet him, at short notice, and their meeting at the Pamleras Golf Club consisted of long and puzzling silences.
It is not in da Silva's statement so your poetic licence is another way of saying you made it up, as you did with the Smiths" begorrah oi tink you maybe right". This is not acceptable and you have done this on many many other occasions.
To put it bluntly, you are pissing on the memory of Madeleine McCann. and hindering the search for the truth of Madeleine's fate.
Richard D Hall was bringing out some very useful information until he listened to your lies. His credibility is now zero, your masters will be pleased.
As for the new book, has anybody read it as of now?
And no, I do not hate Bennett, I just detest his constant lies.
Ask him why he has covered up for Fiona Payne and Rachael Oldfield, time after time and anybody who has challenged him has been banned?
Why have so many "knowledgeable posters" turned a blind eye to this?
I don't understand the reference to covering up for Fiona Payne and Rachael Oldfield. How would TB be in a position to do that?
JJ, No doubt about it, you are a McCann supporter and that's why,despite your denials, you hate Bennett so much
That was sarcasm I assume...
What gets (and irks!) me about the most recent JH Forum attacks on Murat is that they come from the 'spokesperson' for "The Campaign for Oppressed ....." - clearly not all those oppressed are supported!
ReplyI think it is a total disgrace how Mr Bennett's character is being assassinated in the most depraved manner. I don't think any of you are worthy to tie his shoe laces. If this is the calibre of those seeking justice for Madeleine then all I can say is may the good Lord help us all.
ReplyHello Tony. Do us all a favour and don't post on here.
Anonymous 2 Sep 08.18
Can you or TB produce the statement where JT said the child was blonde or the second statement of Jorge Miguel Rocha da Silva.
If the answer is NO you have been deceived.
It may be fine for you but others may have a different view.
Terry If its OK with Cristobel within 10 days I will explain about FP &RO in detail .
Any chance you could do it quicker than that pleas JJ.
rather rely on the good lord,let the police do their job.
the good lord will not be able to save you tony from the charge of perverting the course of justice .
think about it before you post here again.
J.J. why and how did T.B. cover up for Fiona Payne and Rachael Oldfield I honestly haven't heard any of this before.
ReplyYes, I would like to know more about this as well. Please elaborate.
Genuine question. As one who respects TB for the efforts he has made consistently for 7 years to prise out the truth about Madeleine's fate, are pro-TB comments allowed on your blog, or are they whooshed?
ReplyDo you respect TB for his heavy handed tactics in discrediting the Smiths at every opportunity. Calling them liars and scrutinising every aspect of their private lives? Do you respect TB for constantly trying to put Murat in the frame and thus diverting attention away from the parents? Do you respect TB for trying to get everyone banned from the JH forum who opposes his views and so called facts?
I wouldn't be in the queue to tie up his laces so no sleep lost here. There's no glory in seeking justice for one child by causing injustice to another in my book. Speaking of depraved..
ReplyIs NFWTD having a "well deserved holiday"? I haven't seen many posts from her on JH lately. Can someone confirm she's ok?
ReplyI believe she has jumped ship to the new forum. Good on her.
There's nothing funnier than seeing anti's turning on each other to bump up the sales of popcorn lol. But on this occasion it's only this blog and CF's new forum that's showing any animosity and that's only because a truckload of troublemakers were booted out lol. Cant see any animosity whatsoever coming from CMOMM.
Thank you Rose, I am sure CMoMM will appreciate the continuing support of the Pros.
I agree about CMOMM but I haven't seen any animosity on the new forum either. It is sad when people with the same basic thoughts and beliefs fall out, but that tends to happen whatever the shared interest is.
Yep - the 'popcorn' bit was a bit of a give-away - lol!
Yeah! Candyfloss was a real troublemaker all right !
ReplyTells me all I need to know that she didn't like the way things were going at CMoMM and even more about those still pandering to the official Bennett line.
Carry on Rose and if CMoMM is so wonderful, why waste your time here? Bennett's calling you Rose, jump to it!
Perhaps we should give TB a break - he's a modern day Emile Zola don't you know - at least that is what he thinks according to his latest scribe on JH
ReplyYou couldn't make it up!!
Peeps should start calling him Gordon :)
Rose, I agree that's there no animosity on CMOMM but I haven't seen any on the new forum either.
Replyquote from someone
Reply"I don't think any of you are worthy to tie his shoe laces."
Well maybe when bennett grows up he will be able to tie his own laces eh?
ROFL ...