John McGowan 14 hrs Our lovely Lisa has moved on. I will miss her dearly. She has been a friend and

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Rank：Diamond Member Score：2851 Posts：2851 From：USA Register：26/01/2013 4:34 PM	Date Posted：20/06/2014 1:42 PMCopy HTML John McGowan 14 hrs Our lovely Lisa has moved on. I will miss her dearly. She has been a friend and a shoulder. She has brought smiles and fun to everyone that has had the pleasure to meet her. Good luck Hun, not that you need it. xx Like Like · <input class="uiLinkButtonInput" data-ft="{"type":24,"tn":"S"}" type="button" value="Comment" style="font-weight: normal; border: none; color: rgb(109, 132, 180); cursor: pointer; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: none; background-attachment: initial; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;"> Leanne R Baulch, Linda Peet Folkard, Nicole Denby and 16 others like this. H'lee Vurley Gutted 13 hours ago · Like Bernie Gadd Where she gone 13 hours ago · Like · 1 Giovanna Maunder Oh no I hope you are ok Lisa. Good Luck to you xx 13 hours ago · Like · 1 Karen Rafferty Bernie she's still with you in the circle.x 13 hours ago · Like Helen Kirsty Antcliff Lisa has decided to concentrate on another group. The Pen wishes her well. X 12 hours ago · Like · 5 Karen Rafferty And let us not forget Frances Gallagher and Jayne Smalleyboth wonderful people have left too. 12 hours ago · Like · 7 Lisa Pritchard I thought Frances had not been around for a while. Is it private why they have left? 12 hours ago · Like · 2 Karen Rafferty Difference of opinion Lisa Pritchard but they are all in the circle.xx 12 hours ago · Like · 2 Lisa Pritchard OK. Ty. Who is admin now? 12 hours ago · Like Helen Kirsty Antcliff I don't know, lisa. It's not been explained but I wish them all the best. X 12 hours ago · Like · 1 Pete Horan Lisa Pritchard. Check your other inbox. Frances has pmd you xxx 12 hours ago · Like · 2 Angela Bradley Love both these guys, their wisdom, humour, and just good all round human being-ness (new word). Good luck to you Frances and Lisa, I'll miss you. xx 11 hrs · Like · 6 Kelly Welly Woo I must of missed something?!? 8 hrs · Like · 1 Elaine Phillips I don't get why they have all gone due to differences of opinion, yet they all still together the Circle? Very confusing that one lol 8 hrs · Edited · Like · 4 Karen Rafferty Elaine Phillips there wasnt a difference of opinion between Lisa Edington and Frances Gallagher.x 8 hrs · Like · 1 Diana Webster Just seen this!!! How saddening 7 hrs · Like · 1 Diana Webster No I don't get it just looked at admin list and all the admins are nice. Just 1 person who I don't know on there but was only added wednesday x 7 hrs · Edited · Like · 2 Elaine Phillips I'm confused too x 7 hrs · Like · 3 Holly Braithwaite All i know is there was a difference of opinions.. Doesn't mean to say they're not all nice. xx It's a shame 7 hrs · Like · 2 Karen Rafferty Its a confusing time for all. Lisa just wanted a smaller intimate group .. 7 hrs · Edited · Like · 3 Natalie Hodges Thought I hadnt seen frances for a while 7 hrs · Like Diana Webster Sorry but I am leaving this group. Way I see it is it's not the place I thought it was which is a shame coz I been here from the start. Goodbye. xx 6 hrs · Like · 3 Lisa Pritchard I am leaving after sy have finished the review and when any outcome arrest etc is achieved to give case closed. 6 hrs · Like Natalie Hodges Everyone that's left or leaving this page , are they still on the hideho page ? 6 hrs · Like Michelle Lynch Maria Anderson is our new admin. Lovely lady and very enthusiastic. xxx 6 hrs · Like · 5 Michelle Lynch We too were very confused xxx 6 hrs · Like · 2 Natalie Hodges Or is it the hideho page everyone is leaving ? 6 hrs · Like Elaine Phillips Who knows Nat! Good luck to the new admin Maria. Its not like there was loads of nasty arguments here is it? One of the politest groups I've ever seen haha! 6 hrs · Edited · Like · 5 Natalie Hodges Hope they all enjoy wherever they've gone to , sad to see them go 6 hrs · Like · 1 Leanne R Baulch Natalie they're on the circle now. 6 hrs · Like Val Mulraney What's the circle? X 6 hrs · Like · 1 Leanne R Baulch It's a new smaller group full of kind and caring people. Similar to the pen. Lisa and Frances are there now but are no longer here. 6 hrs · Like · 1 Helen Kirsty Antcliff Please don't post links to other groups. Thanks. 5 hrs · Like · 1 Natalie Hodges That's a shame they felt the need to set up a new group , from what I've seen here all the members were very thoughtful , kind and understanding , it's a shame 5 hrs · Like Maria Anderson Thank you Michelle Lynch, ....your lovely to......i did not know lisa.....but wish them all the very best.xxx 5 hrs · Like Deb Blake I left Hideho a long time ago but stayed in the Pen. Confused 3 hrs · Like · 1 Natalie Hodges Dont understand why alot of people are leaving hideho 3 hrs · Like Karen Rafferty Im still in HDH. I do enjoy it except when silly people make over the top comments that have nothing to do with the files. 3 hrs · Like · 2 Louise Holmes I left hideho my views haven't changed / again shame they have left here - although rarely post myself always had a fabulous help when needed x 3 hrs · Like Susan Diamond There are lots of new members on hideho that don't read any files or even previous comments,I feel as if it's lost it's momentum a bit 3 hrs · Like Natalie Hodges Which is why it needed its admins and maybe a few more , not for them all to jump ship ! 3 hrs · Like Tasha Adams Hdh has nothing to do with the pen natalie, they're leaving here not hdh x 3 hrs · Like Natalie Hodges Jfm ?! 3 hrs · Like Leanne R Baulch I really think the admin preferably Lizzy Taylor should explain to her members what has happened as many have been left confused. 3 hrs · Like Elaine Phillips Why do I keep getting notifications that posts are being made on this thread, yet I can't see them? x 3 hrs · Like Leanne R Baulch Either your phone or admin deleting comments x 3 hrs · Like Karen Rafferty As we cant post the link to Lisas new group here if you want details on it you can pm Leanne Baulch, Lisa Edington or myself and we will forward them to you.xx 3 hrs · Like · 4 Lizzy Hideho Taylor No comments have been deleted. I have had no input into this page as you all know (except the quiz...lol) Although I am the creator and 'owner' I passed it to Frances and subsequently Lisa to have full control. They have done a magnificent job... It has always been linked to HDH and so (for reasons only they know), in the last day or so, both Lisa and Frances decided to open another group...despite my wanting them to stay and continue.. The members in here need them and I had hoped they would continue...its thanks to them (and the other admin) that this group has been so successful. This has nothing to do with any dispute...they chose to move on and if anyone hears that i chucked them out or anything as silly as that then that is incorrect... This has been 'their' group and I made no changes to that except hope that they could spend more time in here... I am at a loss to know why they would leave the group and members that they loved so much! 2 hrs · Edited · Like · 2 Lizzy Hideho Taylor I told Lisa last night that there was no need to leave...she was still a member and could continue to post... Sadly its the members here that suffer.... 2 hrs · Like · 2 Karen Rafferty Lizzy Frances and Lisa have not left the members just the group. All pen members are welcome in the circle. However admin in the pen deleted Lisas last post and much to my disgust someone blocked Frances from the pen.xx 2 hrs · Like · 1 Lizzy Hideho Taylor I do not admin the Pen...I never have...I have had full trust in Frances and Lisas abilities in here... I did ask Lisa to not add links to an alternative group...I think thats understandable...if it was in ADDITION to the pen...thats great...but to vacate the pen...set up a new group...add all the admin and members and then try to advertise for Pen members was very disconcerting and confusing for sensitive members in here... Nothing has changed in here...only that lisa and Frances decided to...well i guess you could call it 'abandon' Pen for their own reasons...which was nothing to do with the Pen as they were the ones in charge! 2 hrs · Like · 2 Lizzy Hideho Taylor I am as saddened by this as anyone...The Pen is the result of THEIR effort and should have continued that way as far as i am concerned... Members in here come first... It has never been anything that i offered advice or intruded on...because it was ALL up to them.. That is what is so weird.... 2 hrs · Edited · Like · 2 Lizzy Hideho Taylor Like everyone else in here all I can ask is 'What happened'? 2 hrs · Like · 2 Tasha Adams Very unfair of you to make out they are abandoning the pen and the members will suffer. They've not said a bad word about either the pen or you 2 hrs · Like · 5 H'lee Vurley I don't understand what's going on, we're all friends anyway aren't we? 2 hrs · Like · 1 Lizzy Hideho Taylor Tasha Adams i am sorry if that sounded unfair... I didn't mean it as to be anything other than what has happened...i WANTED them to stay...they both know that its their 'baby' in here and yet didnt want to stay...what more can I say? 2 hrs · Like Lizzy Hideho Taylor H'lee Vurley We are all friends and I wish that Frances and Lisa were still here... 2 hrs · Edited · Like · 1 Karen Rafferty Lizzie, Lisa and Frances have not nor will they ever abandon their friends in the pen and it is very wrong of you to put it like that. I know Lisa and Frances and Jayne have shed tears over this decision. The new group was created for the sole purpose of staying in contact with all their friends in the pen. Please do not make out that this was an easy decision for them to make because it wasnt. 2 hrs · Like · 3 Lizzy Hideho Taylor I am at a loss... I wanted Frances and Lisa to continue in here... They chose not to... I had nothing to do with the running of this group..so what happened? Why did they leave? Why was it necessary? 1 hr · Like · 1 Leanne R Baulch I am very shocked Lizzy, how you can even suggest they have abandoned their friends is just beyond belief! That is why that group is there so they never have to leave them. Lisa would never abandon her friends, she has left the group not the people. 1 hr · Like · 2 Karen Rafferty Lisa Edington Firstly, thank you ALL for being here Secondly, I do not expect anyone to leave the Pen, it has been my home for the past 10 months and I truly did enjoy every single moment there. If you feel you want to leave, then of course that is something you must decide for yourself. I left last night and it nigh on ripped my heart right out....Luckily I had Frances, Jayne, Karen, Leanne, Pete, Celia, Ben & Nicole to catch me and give me a hug A rift began to open a little while ago which I could just see getting deeper and there was going to be no way to heal it. Frances and I knew a couple of days ago something had to give, which it did Neither of us could bare to loose the connections and friendships that we made there. Some of the other admin are just so torn by all this too. Some have decided to just be here, others are staying in Pen, which is absolutely fine as there are so many good people that still need Pen as a lifeline. This new page belongs to all of us, not just Frances and I, but all the other lovely admin, but most of all YOU, our members.......You've opened your hearts when you've needed to and we've all clubbed together for hugs and kisses to make each other better through our tough times. We've laughed soooo hard at times, I've now got shares in Tena lol. Friendships have been forged between people from all walks of life, and I've now got more friends than anyone could ever dream of. I love Frances like a sister and I will NEVER let anything come between us!!! Our Circle of Friends here will flourish and I hope you all enjoy your time here just as much as you did before. This will be that very same lifeline that some have come to rely on each and every day. Thank you all sooooo much for being here and lets remember..........."Onwards and U 1 hr · Like · 2 Lizzy Hideho Taylor I didn't say they have abandoned their friends.... They 'abandoned ' the group and opened another one instead... Their prerogative...but I'm not sure I am understanding why the effort to suggest I have anything to do with this exxcept try to ask questions about what happened.. I am not an active admin here.. and as i keep saying I WANTED Frances and Lisa to stay here and I continue to recognise that this is ALL their hard work.. Like everyone else...i have been shocked by their decision.... 1 hr · Like · 1 Karen Rafferty Some difference in Lisa's explanation and your explanation. Penners should have the opportunity to see both sides Lizzie. 1 hr · Like · 2 Lizzy Hideho Taylor They most certainly would NEVER abandon their friends...and I would never suggest that... 1 hr · Like · 1 Lizzy Hideho Taylor They have done a magnificent job in here...How could anyone deny that? Thats why I want to know WHY they chose to leave...they are loved...and they have put their heart and soul into here... 1 hr · Like · 2 Lizzy Hideho Taylor It is 'affilliated ' with HDH and maybe that is the reason...They both know how I have supported and cared about them both... As I keep saying...this is as much as a shock to me as it is to everyone else... 1 hr · Like · 1 Karen Rafferty Nothing has changed in here...only that lisa and Frances decided to...well i guess you could call it 'abandon' Pen for their own reasons...which was nothing to do with the Pen as they were the ones in charge!. Sorry but if my reading of your statement is correct that is what you are insinuating. Especially when you it followed on from your previous comment - Sadly its the members here that suffer...- 1 hr · Like · 2 Tasha Adams Well your words certainly imply that they abandoned their friends, 'members suffering', your words not mine, isn't exactly on the fence with your feelings is it? 1 hr · Like · 2 Lizzy Hideho Taylor The group was not being looked after... I asked if they had more time or if they could suggest someone else... I was shocked that a nondescript comment could be blown out of proportion and within a short while a new group with Pen admin added...and links to join the Circle.. How should I interpret that? Especially considering Im not involved in here...just that we were getting comments on HDH I WANTED them to stay and yes.. they have contacted some members...but all of them? 1 hr · Like · 2 Tasha Adams Well that's certainly changed, a minute ago you didn't know why and now it is because it wasn't being looked after.
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Rank：Diamond Member Score：2851 Posts：2851 From：USA Register：26/01/2013 4:34 PM	Re：John McGowan 14 hrs Our lovely Lisa has moved on. I will miss her dearly. She has been a friend and Date Posted：20/06/2014 1:46 PMCopy HTML John McGowan 14 hrs Our lovely Lisa has moved on. I will miss her dearly. She has been a friend and a shoulder. She has brought smiles and fun to everyone that has had the pleasure to meet her. Good luck Hun, not that you need it. xx Like Like · <input class="uiLinkButtonInput" data-ft="{"type":24,"tn":"S"}" type="button" value="Comment" style="font-weight: normal; border: none; color: rgb(109, 132, 180); cursor: pointer; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: none; background-attachment: initial; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;"> Leanne R Baulch, Linda Peet Folkard, Nicole Denby and 16 others like this. H'lee Vurley Gutted 13 hours ago · Like Bernie Gadd Where she gone 13 hours ago · Like · 1 Giovanna Maunder Oh no I hope you are ok Lisa. Good Luck to you xx 13 hours ago · Like · 1 Karen Rafferty Bernie she's still with you in the circle.x 13 hours ago · Like Helen Kirsty Antcliff Lisa has decided to concentrate on another group. The Pen wishes her well. X 12 hours ago · Like · 5 Karen Rafferty And let us not forget Frances Gallagher and Jayne Smalleyboth wonderful people have left too. 12 hours ago · Like · 7 Lisa Pritchard I thought Frances had not been around for a while. Is it private why they have left? 12 hours ago · Like · 2 Karen Rafferty Difference of opinion Lisa Pritchard but they are all in the circle.xx 12 hours ago · Like · 2 Lisa Pritchard OK. Ty. Who is admin now? 12 hours ago · Like Helen Kirsty Antcliff I don't know, lisa. It's not been explained but I wish them all the best. X 12 hours ago · Like · 1 Pete Horan Lisa Pritchard. Check your other inbox. Frances has pmd you xxx 12 hours ago · Like · 2 Angela Bradley Love both these guys, their wisdom, humour, and just good all round human being-ness (new word). Good luck to you Frances and Lisa, I'll miss you. xx 11 hrs · Like · 6 Kelly Welly Woo I must of missed something?!? 8 hrs · Like · 1 Elaine Phillips I don't get why they have all gone due to differences of opinion, yet they all still together the Circle? Very confusing that one lol 8 hrs · Edited · Like · 4 Karen Rafferty Elaine Phillips there wasnt a difference of opinion between Lisa Edington and Frances Gallagher.x 8 hrs · Like · 1 Diana Webster Just seen this!!! How saddening 7 hrs · Like · 1 Diana Webster No I don't get it just looked at admin list and all the admins are nice. Just 1 person who I don't know on there but was only added wednesday x 7 hrs · Edited · Like · 2 Elaine Phillips I'm confused too x 7 hrs · Like · 3 Holly Braithwaite All i know is there was a difference of opinions.. Doesn't mean to say they're not all nice. xx It's a shame 7 hrs · Like · 2 Karen Rafferty Its a confusing time for all. Lisa just wanted a smaller intimate group .. 7 hrs · Edited · Like · 3 Natalie Hodges Thought I hadnt seen frances for a while 7 hrs · Like Diana Webster Sorry but I am leaving this group. Way I see it is it's not the place I thought it was which is a shame coz I been here from the start. Goodbye. xx 6 hrs · Like · 3 Lisa Pritchard I am leaving after sy have finished the review and when any outcome arrest etc is achieved to give case closed. 6 hrs · Like Natalie Hodges Everyone that's left or leaving this page , are they still on the hideho page ? 6 hrs · Like Michelle Lynch Maria Anderson is our new admin. Lovely lady and very enthusiastic. xxx 6 hrs · Like · 5 Michelle Lynch We too were very confused xxx 6 hrs · Like · 2 Natalie Hodges Or is it the hideho page everyone is leaving ? 6 hrs · Like Elaine Phillips Who knows Nat! Good luck to the new admin Maria. Its not like there was loads of nasty arguments here is it? One of the politest groups I've ever seen haha! 6 hrs · Edited · Like · 5 Natalie Hodges Hope they all enjoy wherever they've gone to , sad to see them go 6 hrs · Like · 1 Leanne R Baulch Natalie they're on the circle now. 6 hrs · Like Val Mulraney What's the circle? X 6 hrs · Like · 1 Leanne R Baulch It's a new smaller group full of kind and caring people. Similar to the pen. Lisa and Frances are there now but are no longer here. 6 hrs · Like · 1 Helen Kirsty Antcliff Please don't post links to other groups. Thanks. 5 hrs · Like · 1 Natalie Hodges That's a shame they felt the need to set up a new group , from what I've seen here all the members were very thoughtful , kind and understanding , it's a shame 5 hrs · Like Maria Anderson Thank you Michelle Lynch, ....your lovely to......i did not know lisa.....but wish them all the very best.xxx 5 hrs · Like Deb Blake I left Hideho a long time ago but stayed in the Pen. Confused 3 hrs · Like · 1 Natalie Hodges Dont understand why alot of people are leaving hideho 3 hrs · Like Karen Rafferty Im still in HDH. I do enjoy it except when silly people make over the top comments that have nothing to do with the files. 3 hrs · Like · 2 Louise Holmes I left hideho my views haven't changed / again shame they have left here - although rarely post myself always had a fabulous help when needed x 3 hrs · Like Susan Diamond There are lots of new members on hideho that don't read any files or even previous comments,I feel as if it's lost it's momentum a bit 3 hrs · Like Natalie Hodges Which is why it needed its admins and maybe a few more , not for them all to jump ship ! 3 hrs · Like Tasha Adams Hdh has nothing to do with the pen natalie, they're leaving here not hdh x 3 hrs · Like Natalie Hodges Jfm ?! 3 hrs · Like Leanne R Baulch I really think the admin preferably Lizzy Taylor should explain to her members what has happened as many have been left confused. 3 hrs · Like Elaine Phillips Why do I keep getting notifications that posts are being made on this thread, yet I can't see them? x 3 hrs · Like Leanne R Baulch Either your phone or admin deleting comments x 3 hrs · Like Karen Rafferty As we cant post the link to Lisas new group here if you want details on it you can pm Leanne Baulch, Lisa Edington or myself and we will forward them to you.xx 3 hrs · Like · 4 Lizzy Hideho Taylor No comments have been deleted. I have had no input into this page as you all know (except the quiz...lol) Although I am the creator and 'owner' I passed it to Frances and subsequently Lisa to have full control. They have done a magnificent job... It has always been linked to HDH and so (for reasons only they know), in the last day or so, both Lisa and Frances decided to open another group...despite my wanting them to stay and continue.. The members in here need them and I had hoped they would continue...its thanks to them (and the other admin) that this group has been so successful. This has nothing to do with any dispute...they chose to move on and if anyone hears that i chucked them out or anything as silly as that then that is incorrect... This has been 'their' group and I made no changes to that except hope that they could spend more time in here... I am at a loss to know why they would leave the group and members that they loved so much! 2 hrs · Edited · Like · 2 Lizzy Hideho Taylor I told Lisa last night that there was no need to leave...she was still a member and could continue to post... Sadly its the members here that suffer.... 2 hrs · Like · 2 Karen Rafferty Lizzy Frances and Lisa have not left the members just the group. All pen members are welcome in the circle. However admin in the pen deleted Lisas last post and much to my disgust someone blocked Frances from the pen.xx 2 hrs · Like · 1 Lizzy Hideho Taylor I do not admin the Pen...I never have...I have had full trust in Frances and Lisas abilities in here... I did ask Lisa to not add links to an alternative group...I think thats understandable...if it was in ADDITION to the pen...thats great...but to vacate the pen...set up a new group...add all the admin and members and then try to advertise for Pen members was very disconcerting and confusing for sensitive members in here... Nothing has changed in here...only that lisa and Frances decided to...well i guess you could call it 'abandon' Pen for their own reasons...which was nothing to do with the Pen as they were the ones in charge! 2 hrs · Like · 2 Lizzy Hideho Taylor I am as saddened by this as anyone...The Pen is the result of THEIR effort and should have continued that way as far as i am concerned... Members in here come first... It has never been anything that i offered advice or intruded on...because it was ALL up to them.. That is what is so weird.... 2 hrs · Edited · Like · 2 Lizzy Hideho Taylor Like everyone else in here all I can ask is 'What happened'? 2 hrs · Like · 2 Tasha Adams Very unfair of you to make out they are abandoning the pen and the members will suffer. They've not said a bad word about either the pen or you 2 hrs · Like · 5 H'lee Vurley I don't understand what's going on, we're all friends anyway aren't we? 2 hrs · Like · 1 Lizzy Hideho Taylor Tasha Adams i am sorry if that sounded unfair... I didn't mean it as to be anything other than what has happened...i WANTED them to stay...they both know that its their 'baby' in here and yet didnt want to stay...what more can I say? 2 hrs · Like Lizzy Hideho Taylor H'lee Vurley We are all friends and I wish that Frances and Lisa were still here... 2 hrs · Edited · Like · 1 Karen Rafferty Lizzie, Lisa and Frances have not nor will they ever abandon their friends in the pen and it is very wrong of you to put it like that. I know Lisa and Frances and Jayne have shed tears over this decision. The new group was created for the sole purpose of staying in contact with all their friends in the pen. Please do not make out that this was an easy decision for them to make because it wasnt. 2 hrs · Like · 3 Lizzy Hideho Taylor I am at a loss... I wanted Frances and Lisa to continue in here... They chose not to... I had nothing to do with the running of this group..so what happened? Why did they leave? Why was it necessary? 1 hr · Like · 1 Leanne R Baulch I am very shocked Lizzy, how you can even suggest they have abandoned their friends is just beyond belief! That is why that group is there so they never have to leave them. Lisa would never abandon her friends, she has left the group not the people. 1 hr · Like · 2 Karen Rafferty Lisa Edington Firstly, thank you ALL for being here Secondly, I do not expect anyone to leave the Pen, it has been my home for the past 10 months and I truly did enjoy every single moment there. If you feel you want to leave, then of course that is something you must decide for yourself. I left last night and it nigh on ripped my heart right out....Luckily I had Frances, Jayne, Karen, Leanne, Pete, Celia, Ben & Nicole to catch me and give me a hug A rift began to open a little while ago which I could just see getting deeper and there was going to be no way to heal it. Frances and I knew a couple of days ago something had to give, which it did Neither of us could bare to loose the connections and friendships that we made there. Some of the other admin are just so torn by all this too. Some have decided to just be here, others are staying in Pen, which is absolutely fine as there are so many good people that still need Pen as a lifeline. This new page belongs to all of us, not just Frances and I, but all the other lovely admin, but most of all YOU, our members.......You've opened your hearts when you've needed to and we've all clubbed together for hugs and kisses to make each other better through our tough times. We've laughed soooo hard at times, I've now got shares in Tena lol. Friendships have been forged between people from all walks of life, and I've now got more friends than anyone could ever dream of. I love Frances like a sister and I will NEVER let anything come between us!!! Our Circle of Friends here will flourish and I hope you all enjoy your time here just as much as you did before. This will be that very same lifeline that some have come to rely on each and every day. Thank you all sooooo much for being here and lets remember..........."Onwards and U 1 hr · Like · 2 Lizzy Hideho Taylor I didn't say they have abandoned their friends.... They 'abandoned ' the group and opened another one instead... Their prerogative...but I'm not sure I am understanding why the effort to suggest I have anything to do with this exxcept try to ask questions about what happened.. I am not an active admin here.. and as i keep saying I WANTED Frances and Lisa to stay here and I continue to recognise that this is ALL their hard work.. Like everyone else...i have been shocked by their decision.... 1 hr · Like · 1 Karen Rafferty Some difference in Lisa's explanation and your explanation. Penners should have the opportunity to see both sides Lizzie. 1 hr · Like · 2 Lizzy Hideho Taylor They most certainly would NEVER abandon their friends...and I would never suggest that... 1 hr · Like · 1 Lizzy Hideho Taylor They have done a magnificent job in here...How could anyone deny that? Thats why I want to know WHY they chose to leave...they are loved...and they have put their heart and soul into here... 1 hr · Like · 2 Lizzy Hideho Taylor It is 'affilliated ' with HDH and maybe that is the reason...They both know how I have supported and cared about them both... As I keep saying...this is as much as a shock to me as it is to everyone else... 1 hr · Like · 1 Karen Rafferty Nothing has changed in here...only that lisa and Frances decided to...well i guess you could call it 'abandon' Pen for their own reasons...which was nothing to do with the Pen as they were the ones in charge!. Sorry but if my reading of your statement is correct that is what you are insinuating. Especially when you it followed on from your previous comment - Sadly its the members here that suffer...- 1 hr · Like · 2 Tasha Adams Well your words certainly imply that they abandoned their friends, 'members suffering', your words not mine, isn't exactly on the fence with your feelings is it? 1 hr · Like · 2 Lizzy Hideho Taylor The group was not being looked after... I asked if they had more time or if they could suggest someone else... I was shocked that a nondescript comment could be blown out of proportion and within a short while a new group with Pen admin added...and links to join the Circle.. How should I interpret that? Especially considering Im not involved in here...just that we were getting comments on HDH I WANTED them to stay and yes.. they have contacted some members...but all of them? 1 hr · Like · 2 Tasha Adams Well that's certainly changed, a minute ago you didn't know why and now it is because it wasn't being looked after. We both know that isn't the truth but even if it was, it's total crap. The group WAS being looked after, they and other admins were here a lot, but you wouldn't know that as you freely admit that you don't use it. Nor do you understand the dynamics of the group again because you don't use it. I don't care if I get booted for this but I feel like you've lost control in hdh (sooooo many passionate people have left there and you did nothing) and so were trying to stamp your authority in here, as it's the easier in here. They couldn't contact everyone, too many members and you made it impossible. Remember if you keep making statements then eventually someone will feel like they have no choice but to enlighten others of the true facts. You might want to quit whilst you're ahead! 1 hr · Like · 1 Leanne R Baulch Well let's be honest, Lisa and Frances have been here working hard here. They've always got time for their friends and anyone that may need them. You're making out like you've no idea what has happened! They felt they had no choice but to leave, they've made a new group so their friends still have the support they need. You're not being fair Lizzy. 1 hr · Edited · Like · 2 Karen Rafferty Lizzie I explained to you last night that most admins were supporting other members privately after private details from this group were posted on another facebook page belonging to a pro McC group. I also tried to explain that the members in the pen owned the pen , not you as you were quick to point out in admin chat when you asked us to post more happy threads. 1 hr · Like · 3 H'lee Vurley Well I'm not leaving any groups I like them all and I like all the people and that's that! 1 hr · Like · 3 Tasha Adams Thank you Karen for being brave and saying it. Yes more happy threads was demanded from someone who didn't even use the pen and doesn't even understand the dynamics of the group because she doesn't use it. Considering the vast majority loved how the pen worked, surely the right thing would of been to leave it how the majority like it. 1 hr · Like · 2 Lizzy Hideho Taylor Leanne R Baulch 'They felt like they had no choice but to leave'? No...I have no idea why you would say that.. What did they have no choice over? They had full control..not me... 1 hr · Like Lizzy Hideho Taylor Karen Rafferty and that is what was so great...Its a great group...why did they leave? 1 hr · Like Lizzy Hideho Taylor I asked for admin help to get the group motivated again... There was no longer anyone taking charge... 1 hr · Like Karen Rafferty Lizzie the pen was great as it was. No changes needed to be made. Admin might not have been active within admin chat but I can assure you that we were all very active pming members and other admin. 1 hr · Like · 1 Tasha Adams Lol you are only answering half or what was said! Why did you point out you own the group? I don't get this you don't even use it, seems like it's a power trip for you but so much more to the people who actually used it. I'm really angry that you are sitting there playing the victim when you know what you did. And as I pointed out the pen was working fine, admins were here a lot. I'm here a lot and saw that! Why would you want to change something that you don't even use? 1 hr · Like · 1 H'lee Vurley Ahhhhh this is all fckin ridiculous, we were all fine before and now it's all turning into arguments and turning on each other! 1 hr · Like · 1 Lizzy Hideho Taylor I have a feeling there is something i don't know... but isnt it important to look after this group? Can the current admin take control and do what they do best? I don't 'do' aggro stuff...never have, never will...i only address the facts and try to communicate... I see noone shocked and addressing the fact that the admin left this group to open a new one basically in competition with their own hard work... THATS what this is about... I don't enter into it...just here to explain what happened for those that are confused... 1 hr · Like · 2 Donna Berrie I don't understand what you mean by by "the group was not being looked after" anytime I have been on its been fab 1 hr · Like · 2 Hannah Maloney Lizzy maybe you are part of it ?..The group seemed to be going fine ..I haven't seen any imput from you ?.You start butting in and the whole thing disintegrates. I thought I was running fine, Yet this is the third day you have involved yourself in Pen issues. 1 hr · Edited · Like · 2 Tasha Adams Explaining whilst accusing them of making members suffer. And we are meant to sit by and say nothing? Noooo. You don't know it wasn't being looked after because you don't use it. I'm so annoyed! You wanted more happy threads, well WE (the actual people who used the pen and not just saw it as some where to control) were happy with the ratio of happiness, sadness, love, laughter etc. We were happy with the admins and quite frankly we matter more than someone who doesn't use the group and doesn't understand the group dynamics!!! 1 hr · Like · 2 Karen Rafferty There is no reason why two similar groups cant exist. Just look how many Maddie groups there are. If I were you Lizzie I would have been more concerned about HDH. Several times I have called for the admin to step in only to find that there was no admin on-line. 1 hr · Like · 2 Lizzy Hideho Taylor FACT: Frances and Lisa had full control of the Pen FACT: They did a magnificent job FACT: 'Everyone' loves them FACT: They chose to not spend time in here FACT: Pen was not being looked after and need help FACT: I asked if they COULD spend more time or suggest someone FACT: They no longer wanted to be in here FACT: They opened another 'similar' group FACT: They added the admin from here FACT: They advertised their 'competing' group in here (as opposed to an additional group) FACT: I told Lisa she should not leave FACT: I wanted them to continue...its THEIR hard work in here FACT: I have NEVER had ANY input into this group (and still dont) FACT: They left the group for their own reasons and left only a few admin here to continue. FACT: I have not been given ANY reasons WHY there has been any problem with them staying here and continuing FACT: I did NOT tell them they were not doing their job and should leave. FACT: Pen members are important and whether they are added from here to the new group or not...THEY ARE IMPORTANT HERE and they were left with noone in charge to look after them. FACT: I have ALWAYS supported and cared about Frances and Lisa and they both know that.... FACT: I am as confused as every other member here. FACT: This is nothing to do with me except i was asked to explain what happened... I created the group and as 'owner' I have to take responsibility but as far as ALL control of the group...that has ALWAYS been Frances and Lisa with input from other admin. Any further comments should be sent to me privately. Please PM me and I will address any issue that you don't understand. THIS THREAD NEEDS TO BE CLOSED and if necessary, continued privately. 55 mins · Like · 1 Kerry Leigh Lizzy- your FACTS are contradicting themselves I'm not one for confrontation but tbh, shame on you. I'm off. 52 mins · Like · 2 Tasha Adams Sigh, you just made yourself look even more silly. And not addressed anything I said because you know that you are in the wrong, so quick shut everyone down from having an opinion, close the thread. 50 mins · Edited · Like · 2 Leanne R Baulch Shame on you Lizzy! I thought better of you. waits for thread closed button* 48 mins · Like · 2 Maria Anderson Any problems please contact Lizzy Hideho Taylor and privately email with your issues, Thank You. 45 mins · Like · 1 Hannah Maloney Why not leave the group Lizzy and allow admin to run it? We are going around in circles. It had a successful format why not leave the members and admin now to get on with the business of running it. 45 mins · Like Maria Anderson THREAD CLOSED..THANK YOU!!! 45 mins · Like · 1 Natalie Rudkin Karen Rafferty I have pm you 43 mins · Like Tasha Adams No, I won't just be quiet because you say so. Why should we? We invested so much emotionally here and lizzy has gone power crazy but knows nothing of how this page worked. And now wants to hush it all behind closed doors. Not on cos she doesn't care about this group like we all did, other than to say she owns it ffs. Reign in hdh before you spend time making demands on here! Lost control in there and think you can feel powerful in here. Shakes my head. 40 mins · Like · 2 Natalie Hodges Looks like you just can't trust anyone anymore lizzy 36 mins · Like · 1 Maria Anderson Tasha Adams....any issues please privately email Lizzy Hideho Taylor as i dont feel this is the place to discuss issues...Thank You!! 34 mins · Like Tasha Adams Well you might not but I do. Transparency is needed not hiding it away. 32 mins · Like · 3 Mike Hardy?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Are you guys actually ARGUING about a FORUM full of people you've almost certainly never actually met.? Do you have no real LIVES? If it's of such paramount importance then simply leave and join the group where your 'fave' people are. Jesus, why am I even POSTING this!? 32 mins · Like · 2 Maria Anderson I would respect you if you did please Tasha Adams as this is not the place to discuss issues of this kind. ...Thank You!! 30 mins · Like Celia Sillars I suggest that this is exactly where it should be discussed! 29 mins · Like · 3 Leanne R Baulch I'm arguing about my bleeding buttons! This is serious stuff now Mike. They've gone. 29 mins · Like · 3 H'lee Vurley What buttons Leanne R Baulch? 29 mins · Like Leanne R Baulch I posted a picture of my buttons, they've vanished. I'm just making a poster. If anyone has any information, please contact me 27 mins · Edited · Like · 3 Tasha Adams Like I said I believe here is exactly where it needs to be discussed. Lizzie has avoided all mentions of the fact that she wanted happier threads. Why is she a) avoiding that and b) giving a damn what is posted in here considering she didn't even use it? 26 mins · Edited · Like Phil Webb Okay, let me address a couple of issues here shall I (tis Lisa btw) waves to all the lovely Penners Some of you are on the new page which is lovely, you will see what i posted on there today. I just want to clarify a couple of FACTS..... FACT: They chose to not spend time in here.......NO, we did spend time in here FACT: Pen was not being looked after and need help.......NO, Pen was in fact being looked after and pretty much runs itself FACT: They no longer wanted to be in here......NO, I was worried about being booted and banned as things were not going brilliantly, and that is exactly what happened to Frances last night. I had a duty to protect the members. FACT: They added the admin from here .......NO, the admin asked to admin for us. FACT: They advertised their 'competing' group in here (as opposed to an additional group).........NO, FACT i posted to members in the new page it was AN ADDITIONAL/ALTERNATIVE page I have the screenshots to prove it if needs be FACT: There was no need for any of this in Pen. I just hope everyone can move on and continue supporting the important people. THE MEMBERS!!! 25 mins · Like · 7 Karen Rafferty Well said Phil Webb 21 mins · Like · 2 H'lee Vurley How is Phil Webb Lisa? Ahhh I'm confused now, fuck this I'll be back when everything's normal 20 mins · Like · 1 H'lee Vurley Pardon the language 20 mins · Like Phil Webb H'lee, it's lisa hun, i couldn't have lies spread, i left Pen though a difference of opinions and there was no need for all of this xxx 19 mins · Like H'lee Vurley Ahhhh it's all confusing but hi Lisa bigggg wave 17 mins · Like · 1 Phil Webb waves back to H'lee from other halves account lol xxx 16 mins · Like Bernie Gadd Hi lisa ( waves lol) 14 mins · Like · 1 Phil Webb (((hugs))) Bernie xxx...........which must look kinda strange lol 10 mins · Like Lizzy Hideho Taylor All I can say is that I do NOT admin in the Pen.. I did NOT remove anyone... I did NOT remove any posts and I had NO knowledge about it until after. I have only posted about what happened which has me confused. I had no control over that.. I am just the messenger. If anyone sees me as instigating anything or being responsible for anything then I cant stop that perception. However if anyone CAN show me anything that has been misinterpreted I am happy to explain. Maybe someone could tell ME what happened? 2 mins · Like Bernie Gadd There been an argument Just now · Like Pete Horan And its gone quiet again!! Nice one Phil/Lisa for clearing that up. 3 mins · Like Pete Horan I think the main problem is the "need tonspend more time here thing" Maybe need to practise what you preach there. I thought you had left Lizzy as is your imput into the group. Just now · Like
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Rank：Diamond Member Score：2851 Posts：2851 From：USA Register：26/01/2013 4:34 PM	Re：John McGowan 14 hrs Our lovely Lisa has moved on. I will miss her dearly. She has been a friend and Date Posted：03/07/2014 3:08 PMCopy HTML Lizzy Hideho Taylor No comments have been deleted. I have had no input into this page as you all know (except the quiz...lol) Although I am the creator and 'owner' I passed it to Frances and subsequently Lisa to have full control. They have done a magnificent job... It has always been linked to HDH and so (for reasons only they know), in the last day or so, both Lisa and Frances decided to open another group...despite my wanting them to stay and continue.. The members in here need them and I had hoped they would continue...its thanks to them (and the other admin) that this group has been so successful. This has nothing to do with any dispute...they chose to move on and if anyone hears that i chucked them out or anything as silly as that then that is incorrect... This has been 'their' group and I made no changes to that except hope that they could spend more time in here... I am at a loss to know why they would leave the group and members that they loved so much! 2 hrs · Edited · Like · 2 Lizzy Hideho Taylor I told Lisa last night that there was no need to leave...she was still a member and could continue to post... Sadly its the members here that suffer.... Lizzy Hideho Taylor I do not admin the Pen...I never have...I have had full trust in Frances and Lisas abilities in here... I did ask Lisa to not add links to an alternative group...I think thats understandable...if it was in ADDITION to the pen...thats great...but to vacate the pen...set up a new group...add all the admin and members and then try to advertise for Pen members was very disconcerting and confusing for sensitive members in here... Nothing has changed in here...only that lisa and Frances decided to...well i guess you could call it 'abandon' Pen for their own reasons...which was nothing to do with the Pen as they were the ones in charge! 2 hrs · Like · 2 Lizzy Hideho Taylor I am as saddened by this as anyone...The Pen is the result of THEIR effort and should have continued that way as far as i am concerned... Members in here come first... It has never been anything that i offered advice or intruded on...because it was ALL up to them.. That is what is so weird.... 2 hrs · Edited · Like · 2 Lizzy Hideho Taylor Like everyone else in here all I can ask is 'What happened'? Lizzy Hideho Taylor Tasha Adams i am sorry if that sounded unfair... I didn't mean it as to be anything other than what has happened...i WANTED them to stay...they both know that its their 'baby' in here and yet didnt want to stay...what more can I say? 2 hrs · Like Lizzy Hideho Taylor H'lee Vurley We are all friends and I wish that Frances and Lisa were still here... 2 hrs · Edited · Like · 1 Lizzy Hideho Taylor I am at a loss... I wanted Frances and Lisa to continue in here... They chose not to... I had nothing to do with the running of this group..so what happened? Why did they leave? Why was it necessary? 1 hr · Like · 1 Lizzy Hideho Taylor I didn't say they have abandoned their friends.... They 'abandoned ' the group and opened another one instead... Their prerogative...but I'm not sure I am understanding why the effort to suggest I have anything to do with this exxcept try to ask questions about what happened.. I am not an active admin here.. and as i keep saying I WANTED Frances and Lisa to stay here and I continue to recognise that this is ALL their hard work.. Like everyone else...i have been shocked by their decision.... 1 hr · Like · 1 Lizzy Hideho Taylor They most certainly would NEVER abandon their friends...and I would never suggest that... 1 hr · Like · 1 Lizzy Hideho Taylor They have done a magnificent job in here...How could anyone deny that? Thats why I want to know WHY they chose to leave...they are loved...and they have put their heart and soul into here... 1 hr · Like · 2 Lizzy Hideho Taylor It is 'affilliated ' with HDH and maybe that is the reason...They both know how I have supported and cared about them both... As I keep saying...this is as much as a shock to me as it is to everyone else... 1 hr · Like · 1 Lizzy Hideho Taylor The group was not being looked after... I asked if they had more time or if they could suggest someone else... I was shocked that a nondescript comment could be blown out of proportion and within a short while a new group with Pen admin added...and links to join the Circle.. How should I interpret that? Especially considering Im not involved in here...just that we were getting comments on HDH I WANTED them to stay and yes.. they have contacted some members...but all of them? 1 hr · Like · 2 Lizzy Hideho Taylor Leanne R Baulch 'They felt like they had no choice but to leave'? No...I have no idea why you would say that.. What did they have no choice over? They had full control..not me... 1 hr · Like Lizzy Hideho Taylor Karen Rafferty and that is what was so great...Its a great group...why did they leave? 1 hr · Like Lizzy Hideho Taylor I asked for admin help to get the group motivated again... There was no longer anyone taking charge... 1 hr · Like 1 hr · Like · 1 Lizzy Hideho Taylor I have a feeling there is something i don't know... but isnt it important to look after this group? Can the current admin take control and do what they do best? I don't 'do' aggro stuff...never have, never will...i only address the facts and try to communicate... I see noone shocked and addressing the fact that the admin left this group to open a new one basically in competition with their own hard work... THATS what this is about... I don't enter into it...just here to explain what happened for those that are confused... 1 hr · Like · 2 Lizzy Hideho Taylor FACT: Frances and Lisa had full control of the Pen FACT: They did a magnificent job FACT: 'Everyone' loves them FACT: They chose to not spend time in here FACT: Pen was not being looked after and need help FACT: I asked if they COULD spend more time or suggest someone FACT: They no longer wanted to be in here FACT: They opened another 'similar' group FACT: They added the admin from here FACT: They advertised their 'competing' group in here (as opposed to an additional group) FACT: I told Lisa she should not leave FACT: I wanted them to continue...its THEIR hard work in here FACT: I have NEVER had ANY input into this group (and still dont) FACT: They left the group for their own reasons and left only a few admin here to continue. FACT: I have not been given ANY reasons WHY there has been any problem with them staying here and continuing FACT: I did NOT tell them they were not doing their job and should leave. FACT: Pen members are important and whether they are added from here to the new group or not...THEY ARE IMPORTANT HERE and they were left with noone in charge to look after them. FACT: I have ALWAYS supported and cared about Frances and Lisa and they both know that.... FACT: I am as confused as every other member here. FACT: This is nothing to do with me except i was asked to explain what happened... I created the group and as 'owner' I have to take responsibility but as far as ALL control of the group...that has ALWAYS been Frances and Lisa with input from other admin. Any further comments should be sent to me privately. Please PM me and I will address any issue that you don't understand. THIS THREAD NEEDS TO BE CLOSED and if necessary, continued privately. Phil Webb Okay, let me address a couple of issues here shall I (tis Lisa btw) waves to all the lovely Penners Some of you are on the new page which is lovely, you will see what i posted on there today. I just want to clarify a couple of FACTS..... FACT: They chose to not spend time in here.......NO, we did spend time in here FACT: Pen was not being looked after and need help.......NO, Pen was in fact being looked after and pretty much runs itself FACT: They no longer wanted to be in here......NO, I was worried about being booted and banned as things were not going brilliantly, and that is exactly what happened to Frances last night. I had a duty to protect the members. FACT: They added the admin from here .......NO, the admin asked to admin for us. FACT: They advertised their 'competing' group in here (as opposed to an additional group).........NO, FACT i posted to members in the new page it was AN ADDITIONAL/ALTERNATIVE page I have the screenshots to prove it if needs be FACT: There was no need for any of this in Pen. I just hope everyone can move on and continue supporting the important people. THE MEMBERS!!! 25 mins · Like · 7 Lizzy Hideho Taylor All I can say is that I do NOT admin in the Pen.. I did NOT remove anyone... I did NOT remove any posts and I had NO knowledge about it until after. I have only posted about what happened which has me confused. I had no control over that.. I am just the messenger. If anyone sees me as instigating anything or being responsible for anything then I cant stop that perception. However if anyone CAN show me anything that has been misinterpreted I am happy to explain. Maybe someone could tell ME what happened? 2 mins · Like
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Rank：Diamond Member Score：2851 Posts：2851 From：USA Register：26/01/2013 4:34 PM	Re：John McGowan 14 hrs Our lovely Lisa has moved on. I will miss her dearly. She has been a friend and Date Posted：03/07/2014 3:46 PMCopy HTML Karen Rafferty Difference of opinion Lisa Pritchard but they are all in the circle.xx 12 hours ago · Like · 2 Pete Horan Lisa Pritchard. Check your other inbox. Frances has pmd you xxx 12 hours ago · Like · 2 Karen Rafferty Its a confusing time for all. Lisa just wanted a smaller intimate group .. 7 hrs · Edited · Like · 3 Diana Webster Sorry but I am leaving this group. Way I see it is it's not the place I thought it was which is a shame coz I been here from thestart. Goodbye. xx 6 hrs · Like · 3 Lisa Pritchard I am leaving after sy have finished the review and when any outcome arrest etc is achieved to give case closed. 6 hrs · Like Natalie Hodges Everyone that's left or leaving this page , are they still on the hideho page ? Leanne R Baulch Natalie they're on the circle now. 6 hrs · Like Val Mulraney What's the circle? X 6 hrs · Like · 1 Leanne R Baulch It's a new smaller group full of kind and caring people. Similar to the pen. Lisa and Frances are there now but are no longer here. 6 hrs · Like · 1 Leanne R Baulch I really think the admin preferably Lizzy Taylor should explain to her members what has happened as many have been left confused. 3 hrs · Like Karen Rafferty As we cant post the link to Lisas new group here if you want details on it you can pm Leanne Baulch, Lisa Edington or myself and we will forward them to you.xx 3 hrs · Like · 4 Karen Rafferty Lizzy Frances and Lisa have not left the members just the group. All pen members are welcome in the circle. However admin in the pen deleted Lisas last post and much to my disgust someone blocked Frances from the pen.xx 2 hrs · Like · 1 Tasha Adams Very unfair of you to make out they are abandoning the pen and the members will suffer. They've not said a bad word about either the pen or you 2 hrs · Like · 5 Karen Rafferty Lizzie, Lisa and Frances have not nor will they ever abandon their friends in the pen and it is very wrong of you to put it like that. I know Lisa and Frances and Jayne have shed tears over this decision. The new group was created for the sole purpose of staying in contact with all their friends in the pen. Please do not make out that this was an easy decision for them to make because it wasnt. 2 hrs · Like · 3 Leanne R Baulch I am very shocked Lizzy, how you can even suggest they have abandoned their friends is just beyond belief! That is why that group is there so they never have to leave them. Lisa would never abandon her friends, she has left the group not the people. 1 hr · Like · 2 Karen Rafferty Lisa Edington Firstly, thank you ALL for being here Secondly, I do not expect anyone to leave the Pen, it has been my home for the past 10 months and I truly did enjoy every single moment there. If you feel you want to leave, then of course that is something you must decide for yourself. I left last night and it nigh on ripped my heart right out....Luckily I had Frances, Jayne, Karen, Leanne, Pete, Celia, Ben & Nicole to catch me and give me a hug A rift began to open a little while ago which I could just see getting deeper and there was going to be no way to heal it. Frances and I knew a couple of days ago something had to give, which it did Neither of us could bare to loose the connections and friendships that we made there. Some of the other admin are just so torn by all this too. Some have decided to just be here, others are staying in Pen, which is absolutely fine as there are so many good people that still need Pen as a lifeline. This new page belongs to all of us, not just Frances and I, but all the other lovely admin, but most of all YOU, our members.......You've opened your hearts when you've needed to and we've all clubbed together for hugs and kisses to make each other better through our tough times. We've laughed soooo hard at times, I've now got shares in Tena lol. Friendships have been forged between people from all walks of life, and I've now got more friends than anyone could ever dream of. I love Frances like a sister and I will NEVER let anything come between us!!! Our Circle of Friends here will flourish and I hope you all enjoy your time here just as much as you did before. This will be that very same lifeline that some have come to rely on each and every day. Thank you all sooooo much for being here and lets remember..........."Onwards and U 1 hr · Like · 2 Karen Rafferty Some difference in Lisa's explanation and your explanation. Penners should have the opportunity to see both sides Lizzie. 1 hr · Like · 2 Karen Rafferty Nothing has changed in here...only that lisa and Frances decided to...well i guess you could call it 'abandon' Pen for their own reasons...which was nothing to do with the Pen as they were the ones in charge!. Sorry but if my reading of your statement is correct that is what you are insinuating. Especially when you it followed on from your previous comment - Sadly its the members here that suffer...- 1 hr · Like · 2 Tasha Adams Well your words certainly imply that they abandoned their friends, 'members suffering', your words not mine, isn't exactly on the fence with your feelings is it? 1 hr · Like · 2 Tasha Adams Well that's certainly changed, a minute ago you didn't know why and now it is because it wasn't being looked after. We both know that isn't the truth but even if it was, it's total crap. The group WAS being looked after, they and other admins were here a lot, but you wouldn't know that as you freely admit that you don't use it. Nor do you understand the dynamics of the group again because you don't use it. I don't care if I get booted for this but I feel like you've lost control in hdh (sooooo many passionate people have left there and you did nothing) and so were trying to stamp your authority in here, as it's the easier in here. They couldn't contact everyone, too many members and you made it impossible. Remember if you keep making statements then eventually someone will feel like they have no choice but to enlighten others of the true facts. You might want to quit whilst you're ahead! 1 hr · Like · 1 Leanne R Baulch Well let's be honest, Lisa and Frances have been here working hard here. They've always got time for their friends and anyone that may need them. You're making out like you've no idea what has happened! They felt they had no choice but to leave, they've made a new group so their friends still have the support they need. You're not being fair Lizzy. 1 hr · Edited · Like · 2 Karen Rafferty Lizzie I explained to you last night that most admins were supporting other members privately after private details from this group were posted on another facebook page belonging to a pro McC group. I also tried to explain that the members in the pen owned the pen , not you as you were quick to point out in admin chat when you asked us to post more happy threads. 1 hr · Like · 3 Tasha Adams Thank you Karen for being brave and saying it. Yes more happy threads was demanded from someone who didn't even use the pen and doesn't even understand the dynamics of the group because she doesn't use it. Considering the vast majority loved how the pen worked, surely the right thing would of been to leave it how the majority like it. 1 hr · Like · 2 Karen Rafferty Lizzie the pen was great as it was. No changes needed to be made. Admin might not have been active within admin chat but I can assure you that we were all very active pming members and other admin. 1 hr · Like · 1 Tasha Adams Lol you are only answering half or what was said! Why did you point out you own the group? I don't get this you don't even use it, seems like it's a power trip for you but so much more to the people who actually used it. I'm really angry that you are sitting there playing the victim when you know what you did. And as I pointed out the pen was working fine, admins were here a lot. I'm here a lot and saw that! Why would you want to change something that you don't even use? 1 hr · Like · 1 Donna Berrie I don't understand what you mean by by "the group was not being looked after" anytime I have been on its been fab 1 hr · Like · 2 Hannah Maloney Lizzy maybe you are part of it ?..The group seemed to be going fine ..I haven't seen any imput from you ?.You start butting in and the whole thing disintegrates. I thought I was running fine, Yet this is the third day you have involved yourself in Pen issues. 1 hr · Edited · Like · 2 Tasha Adams Explaining whilst accusing them of making members suffer. And we are meant to sit by and say nothing? Noooo. You don't know it wasn't being looked after because you don't use it. I'm so annoyed! You wanted more happy threads, well WE (the actual people who used the pen and not just saw it as some where to control) were happy with the ratio of happiness, sadness, love, laughter etc. We were happy with the admins and quite frankly we matter more than someone who doesn't use the group and doesn't understand the group dynamics!!! 1 hr · Like · 2 Karen Rafferty There is no reason why two similar groups cant exist. Just look how many Maddie groups there are. If I were you Lizzie I would have been more concerned about HDH. Several times I have called for the admin to step in only to find that there was no admin on-line. 1 hr · Like · 2 Kerry Leigh Lizzy- your FACTS are contradicting themselves I'm not one for confrontation but tbh, shame on you. I'm off. 52 mins · Like · 2 Tasha Adams Sigh, you just made yourself look even more silly. And not addressed anything I said because you know that you are in the wrong, so quick shut everyone down from having an opinion, close the thread. 50 mins · Edited · Like · 2 Leanne R Baulch Shame on you Lizzy! I thought better of you. waits for thread closed button 48 mins · Like · 2 Hannah Maloney Why not leave the group Lizzy and allow admin to run it? We are going around in circles. It had a successful format why not leave the members and admin now to get on with the business of running it. 45 mins · Like Tasha Adams No, I won't just be quiet because you say so. Why should we? We invested so much emotionally here and lizzy has gone power crazy but knows nothing of how this page worked. And now wants to hush it all behind closed doors. Not on cos she doesn't care about this group like we all did, other than to say she owns it ffs. Reign in hdh before you spend time making demands on here! Lost control in there and think you can feel powerful in here. Shakes my head. 40 mins · Like · 2 Natalie Hodges Looks like you just can't trust anyone anymore lizzy 36 mins · Like · 1 Maria Anderson I would respect you if you did please Tasha Adams as this is not the place to discuss issues of this kind. ...Thank You!! 30 mins · Like Celia Sillars I suggest that this is exactly where it should be discussed! 29 mins · Like · 3 Tasha Adams Like I said I believe here is exactly where it needs to be discussed. Lizzie has avoided all mentions of the fact that she wanted happier threads. Why is she a) avoiding that and b) giving a damn what is posted in here considering she didn't even use it? 26 mins · Edited · Like Phil Webb Okay, let me address a couple of issues here shall I (tis Lisa btw) waves to all the lovely Penners Some of you are on the new page which is lovely, you will see what i posted on there today. I just want to clarify a couple of FACTS..... FACT: They chose to not spend time in here.......NO, we did spend time in here FACT: Pen was not being looked after and need help.......NO, Pen was in fact being looked after and pretty much runs itself FACT: They no longer wanted to be in here......NO, I was worried about being booted and banned as things were not going brilliantly, and that is exactly what happened to Frances last night. I had a duty to protect the members. FACT: They added the admin from here .......NO, the admin asked to admin for us. FACT: They advertised their 'competing' group in here (as opposed to an additional group).........NO, FACT i posted to members in the new page it was AN ADDITIONAL/ALTERNATIVE page I have the screenshots to prove it if needs be FACT: There was no need for any of this in Pen. I just hope everyone can move on and continue supporting the important people. THE MEMBERS!!! 25 mins · Like · 7 Karen Rafferty Well said Phil Webb 21 mins · Like · 2 H'lee Vurley How is Phil Webb Lisa? Ahhh I'm confused now, fuck this I'll be back when everything's normal 20 mins · Like · 1 H'lee Vurley Pardon the language 20 mins · Like Phil Webb H'lee, it's lisa hun, i couldn't have lies spread, i left Pen though a difference of opinions and there was no need for all of this xxx 19 mins · Like Pete Horan And its gone quiet again!! Nice one Phil/Lisa for clearing that up. 3 mins · Like Pete Horan I think the main problem is the "need tonspend more time here thing" Maybe need to practise what you preach there. I thought you had left Lizzy as is your imput into the group.