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NOTE: The following is based on 4 years of research, separating the statements into 15 minute time periods. There is a link available to EVERYTHING.

Some of the over 200 TIMETABLES based on time periods and specific events during the week can be found here:

TIMETABLES
http://forum2.aimoo.com/MadeleineMcCann/All-Timetables-1-79313


Timelines can be viewed listed under specific headings on this page: 

Remembering Madeleine Forum
http://forum2.aimoo.com/MadeleineMcCann





We all come to this investigation with different levels of knowledge and with different areas of interest...

Some focus on the latest news...Some focus on connections...Some like to focus on hating the McCanns...

My area of knowledge in the case is about what happened during that few days of the holiday...

You will see me repeat several times about the years I spent researching the timelines and discrepancies...That isn't because of requiring accolades... I did it because it is my passion to form an opinion based on knowledge and when asked I cannot pull a theory out of thin air...I form my opinions based on the information I have studied in the case and I hope that gives me credibility for members that have not had the time or opportunity to research to any extent.
 I base all my videos (nearly 200) on the research and details from the files.

That being said, I NEVER want anyone to believe something just because it is my, or anyone else's, opinion.  You MUST draw your own conclusions based on what you have CONFIRMED to be true.  Never blindly believe anything...that is what we try to do on HDH, is give you details and provide the links so you can confirm for YOURSELF.

After discovering some 'explosive' information yesterday I decided it was time to give you an overall knowledge of the 'week' so you could see for yourself a little of what I 'see' so you can maybe understand what my theories are based on.

This is all from memory so I will not be giving any links but will be more than happy to provide links to any  of the following information.

I will try to explain to you some of the things that happened during that week in chronological order as I recall from the research, so you can maybe understand why I believe something happened much earlier in the week.

Everything is based on the files or 'facts' that we know. Please ask if you would like a link to any of the details.

SATURDAY:
A normal holiday arrival.

They arrived mid afternoon...Went to the tapas at 5pm for information about the Ocean Club and details about its amenities.

From what I understand, half day creche was included but the second half of the day was 'extra'

They left there and went to the Millenium restaurant with all the childen. Ate their meal and went back to the apartment...ready for the start of their holiday.
 


SUNDAY:
 
We don't know too much about Sunday. The cleaners daughter saw them all outside the apartment at around 1.15pm... Madeleine holding bread and probably heading up to the Payne's apartment for lunch. (The last credible sighting of Madeleine during that week. imo)
 
They also went to the pool around lunchtime... A  lovely sunny day...temps around 23c (I believe that the 'last photo' was taken on this day)
 
Matthew Oldfield was (apparently) sick and did not go to the tapas on Sunday night but oddly, Russell O'Brien claimed that he went to check on Matthew and Rachael's child...

They dined at the tapas restaurant that night. Meals were included as was the wine.

MONDAY:
 
They all went to the Millenium for breakfast but the McCanns decided that it was difficult walking with the twins as they didnt have a buggy.

Kate played tennis (every day?) at 9.15am - 10.15am Gerry played from 10.15 -11.15am
Jane Tanner met up with friends of hers that were staying nearby (the Gorrods).

Speculation is that the McCanns went to Sagres but this has never been confirmed.

Creche records show that Madeleine was taken out of the creche after a few minutes and the twins shortly after but also not confirmed as the records are difficult to understand/believe.
 
Something may have happened with the shutters on Sunday as the maintenance men were called in.  (came on Tuesday) Curiously Matthew claims to have had a problem with his blinds also (they were in the apartment next door) but no record of having them fixed.

No other details...it was a day when noone seemed to want to discuss.  Kate claims in her diary that everyone was at the tapas.




TUESDAY:
 
This is the day that everything started to happen....

The McCanns decided to have breakfast in the apartment rather than walk to the Millenium because they didn't have a buggy for the twins..... and bought food from the Baptiste store nearby.
 
According to tennis records and Georgina the tennis coach, this was the morning that Madeleine had MINI TENNIS.

The mini tennis was discussed by Kate, Jane and Rachael and became very confusing as Rachael claims it was Thursday and Jane claims it was Wednesday. However. for the details of the mini tennis from them all one would expect the 'occasion' is remembered more than the date  (I will address Rachael and mini tennis later regarding a separate issue of the day she claims it to have been)

MINI TENNIS was between 10am and 11am (records show 10.30-11)

Catriona (Madeleine's nanny) was present with the children so Georgina really did not have reason to know the children's names and she did not CONFIRM Madeleine was there...just mentioned it was Madeleine's group (Lobsters) that was playing.

Kate claims to have run back to the apartment to get her camera to take a pic... Rachael claims it was Jane who took the tennis balls Pic and Russell claims it was not Jane.

Neither Kate nor Jane mentions Rachael being there despite Rachael claiming Kate sitting with her for the time previous to the mini tennis (when Kate was actually playing tennis and going to see the Maintenance men who were in her apartment at some time showing her how to work the washing machine and fixing the shutters )(had something happened to Madeleine and shutters were involved before this time?)

Lets keep in mind that if Rachael was lying about being at the tennis she may have thought it was Madeleine's mini tennis on Thursday when the other group played ((Sharks)
 
One of them claimed that Gerry came over to join them while they were watching Madeleine.... Gerry was playing tennis until 15 mins after Madeleine had finished playing so he couldnt have been there....





At lunchtime Gerry walked with Jez Wilkins to the creche to pick up Madeleine at lunchtime.  Gerry made a point of telling Jez that they left the children alone... Jez explained to him that the evening creche was available and that they provided blankets to bring the children home.
After lunch they all walked to the beach with the twins in a buggy ( ?).  It was a chilly day and the twins did not want to enter the water so they bought 5 ice creams (5? was this to confirm there were 5 of them at that point?) and they watched a guitarist at the restaurant...describing him in great detail.

Returning to the place Madeleine in the creche at 2.50pm.  Gerry bought sunglasses from one of the street vendors on the way back. (was this because the last picture had been taken on Sunday so by saying he didnt have sunglasses lent credibility to it having been taken after Tuesday?)

Once Madeleine was back at the creche, she went on an 'ice cream trip' which, according to TravelAdvisor, was something that was agreed and paid for separately...(so why had they just been and had ice creams?)
 
 
TUESDAY EVENING was when things started to become odd...

They all went to the tapas except Russell who stayed in his apartment because his youngest daughter was sick.

According to the quiz mistress who supervised the TRIVIA quiz from about 9pm (and then joined the table until approx 9.50pm) NO-ONE left the table and as she recalled, she did not see Kate during that time and does not remember seeing David Payne...

There was one place setting that looked like someone had been there and left. (9pm is when they usually start the appetisers)

So...was Russell, Kate and David Payne missing?

At 10.16pm Kate starts to receieve a 'flurry' of calls (5) until 10.27pm (presumably at the apartment as they claim they didn't take their phones to the restaurant) 

Shortly after Mrs Fenn in the apartment above claims to have heard crying getting increasingly stronger with what sounded like 'Daddy, Daddy, Daddy' and it seemed to have come from a toddler for about an hour and quarter until 11.45pm.

(Turn down volume before watching - May be disturbing to some)



It is always presumed to be Madeleine but we know that Rachael claims to have bathed Jane Tanners older daughter in their apartment (while Jane was doing something else?) and their apartment was also directly next door to the McCanns and both were beneath Mrs Fenn.
 
She heard patio doors close and the crying stopped. Was someone using the patio doors to enter...or to exit?

She did not tell them about this as she didnt want to distress them further.
 
I believe this was the night they claimed that Amelie was crying and Madeleine came into their room.

There is a video clip of the hairdresser claiming that Mrs Fenn told them that the McCanns visited another bar, Chaplins that night but hearsay and may not be true.


 


WEDNESDAY MORNING

Very early around 7am Kate had 3 calls to her friend in England..Amanda (who is married to a pathologist)

Shortly after at around 8am, Gerry starts receiving the first of 14 text messages...
 
It was raining on Wednesday so the tennis was cancelled.
 
Dianne Webster decided to go to breakfast at the Millenium... Jane stayed at the apartment.

Dianne recalls seeing the McCanns at the Millenium despite them saying they didnt go for breakfast.

At some point during Wednesday morning the cleaner were let into their apartment and the McCanns left via the balcony door. (see video)






She made the beds and noticed a cot in the McCanns bedroom. Gerry and Kate BOTH deny the cot was there (why?)
 
Around lunchtime Kate went for a jog (in her pink trainers) with Matthew and apparently was bitten by a dog causing blood on her leg.
 
WEDNESDAY EVENING

Jez Wilkins was at the tapas when Gerry arrived with Russell and was told that Kate was putting the children to bed...She did not seem to arrive while he was there...

Where was Jane? With Kate?  (Had something happened to Madeleine and Kate was grieving?)
 
Did they EVER arrive?

The group stayed at the tapas late that night.  The waiters wanted to leave at midnight but the group stayed there until approx 1am. (Was there something important they needed to discuss?)

According to Kate and Gerry the left just before 11pm...Gerry left first and when she was back at the apartment Gerry was in bed...He claims Kate spent a few moments in bed and because of his snoring went to sleep in Madeleine and twins room...however when one looks at the bed in their room it shows no signs she laid in it.

Kate claims she was annoyed with him and didn't know if he knew she slept in the other room.





THURSDAY MORNING...






They awoke about 7am and Madeleine came to them and (according to May 4th statements) asked why they hadn't come when the TWINS were crying...

However...In Gerrys May 10th statement he changed it to MADELEINE was crying and it remains that version to this day...

What I find is curious is that Kate claims she would have not thought any more about the comment except once Madeleine was missing she recalled it and thought it was important...

Oddly, she told Jane and Fiona on Thursday night BEFORE Madeleine disappeared!

Not only that...If, as she claimed she told them on Thursday night then surely she would have told them the version she told the PJ on May 4th that it was the TWINS that were crying...so WHY did Jane and Fiona BOTH claim that she told them the version that MADELEINE was crying...this was the 'corrected' version 6 days later...so was it made AFTER they changed the version and if so WHY did they lie about being told on Thursday night?





THE FOLLOWING FEW HOURS ARE VERY IMPORTANT....and keep in mind these details are taken from their EARLY statements the following day so there should be NO QUESTION about memory...

Upon leaving the apartment Kate claims they ALL left through the front door... Gerry claims Kate and the kids left through the patio doors.

He left Kate to go down the steep steps with three children so he could lock the doors of an EMPTY apartment?

They tell us they dropped off the Twins at the tapas creche and Gerry took Madeleine to the Kids club creche at the reception while Kate played her tennis game at 9.15am (his followed at 11.15am)
 
The following hours are very difficult to explain because of the contradictions and possible lies....

Rachel claims she sat with Kate by the pool awaiting Madeleine's mini tennis and when the children arrived  (around 10.30am) claims Jane was there and took the photo of Madeleine with the tennis balls.

She ALSO claims that THIS WAS THE LAST TIME SHE SAW MADELEINE (was she trying to be helpful? Had something happened to Madeleine earlier and she saw little blonde girls, Madeleine's age playing tennis and thought that Madeleine should be there?)

The police were persistent in trying to establish with her WHICH courts the children were playing on.  The court she identified was the INCORRECT one according to the tennis records.

Jane and Russell claim to have both been at the mini tennis of the group that was NOT Madeleine's but was called the Sharks and was the same age group (Sharks)

They both recall speaking to Nigel...he had a camera and they discussed about how difficult it was to take pictures of children and how it could be misinterpreted.

During that half hour (10.30 - 11am) Jane left and went to the beach where she met Fiona and Dvid on the way back from windsurfing...both cold and heading back to the apartment to change.

Jane arrived at the beach in time to catch her older daughter (3 months younger than Madeleine and in the same group as Madeleine) getting ready to go back to the creche after their 'mini sail'

She took pictures of her daughter but no mention of Madeleine (pics not available in the files)
Jane's statement tells us that Russell went to the beach with her.

Although Rachael tells us she was at mini tennis on Thursday, there is no mention of her by Russell or Jane.
 
Bridget O'Donnell tells us in an interview with the Guardian that she saw the children (all pink and pretty) but does not specifically mention Madeleine.

She also tells us that Gerry and Kate spent time talking with the Tennis coach.
 
Fiona claims to have been with her by the pool and they both went to pick up Fiona's youngest daughter (in the same room as Madeleine) and Madeleine.
 
Kate signed Madeleine out at 12.25.
 
Kate says in her statement that she went back to the apartment first and prepared lunch for the children.
 
Gerry says that it was HIM that went to pick up Madeleine and he remembers that because he took the short cut.
Kate says she went back to the tapas creche to see if Gerry had picked up the twins... Neither of them appear to know and Catriona the nanny does not recall WHO picked up and dropped off Madeleine on Thursday.





 
This is very interesting as the police timeline diagrams claim that although Kate and Gerry claim the twins were in the creche....there are NO creche records for them....
 
Maybe they were not released as I have always believed....but the diagrams tell us something different....

Thursday morning diagrams do not show the twins were at the creche....

Jane mentions (in the diagrams) that they were picked up from the creche and Fiona claims they were with her ALL AFTERNOON!



If that is the case then HOW was the last picture taken?

Further confirmation that it was suspicious about whether Madeleine was there for the last picture at 2.29 on May 5th comes from Rachael....

She had said in her statement that both Jane and her played tennis that lunchtime...Supported by Jane Tanners statement...
 
Jane claims that Madeleine was shouting at them through the fence...Rachael does not mention this...and fort a good reason...

Rachael claims that the LAST TIME she saw Madeleine was during mini tennis...
 
Was that mini tennis on Thursday (when she  was mistaken and Madeleine didn't play) or was it on TUESDAY when Madeleines group played (In which case the last time she saw Madeleine was Tuesday?)
 
Either way... Rachael (by default) did NOT see Madeleine by the pool when they were playing tennis as she says the LAST time she saw Madeleine was when she was playing tennis (whether Tuesday morning or Thursday morning)
 
If that was the case...is it true that Jane and Rachael were playing tennis and Madeleine wasn't there for the last picture?

Is Rachael lying about the last time she saw Madeleine?
 
Jane claims to have seen Madeleine and Rachael didnt...are they BOTH lying about being there?
 
If they are both lying about playing tennis at the time the Last Picture was supposed to be taken.....is it pssible they were 'being helpful' but both had got the story wrong?
 
How could Jane see Madeleine but Rachael didnt?

Were they both there? (If they were lying...WHY?)

Were the McCanns there?
 
Most importantly ...was Madeleine there?
 
The McCanns claim they took the twins back to the creche at 2.40 (approx) and drpped Madeleine off at her creche at 2.50pm...
 
So...WHY did Fiona claim..(according to the diagrams) that SHE had the twins that afternoon?
 
WERE the twins at the creche or is it a story made up to support the 'Last Picture' (which I believe was taken on Sunday with just the exif data changed)?

THURSDAY AFTERNOON
 
During the afternoon Gerry and Kate were able to book a tennis court where they played before Gerry continued playing with one of the other guests.

Kate went for a jog and passed the T7 who were down on the beach at the Paraiso.

Clips from the footage is available to view, showing the timeline of their duration in the Paraiso restaurant.

The owner/manager claims Miguel Mattias, claims to have seen Madeleine dancing with her daddy at the restaurant and passed the footage to the PJ.

The footage confirms that Madeleine was not there and that he appears to have mistaken one of the other T7 children as being Madeleine (confirming the possibility of other witnesses being mistaken) and looked similar to Madeleine.
 
HIGH TEA

Gerry claims to have been at high tea while the children were there and Kate arrived after her jog at approx 5.30pm

Catriona the nanny claims that Gerry WASN'T there and that he was playing tennis....which is very odd as who would have told her that? WHEN?

Catriona was 'invited' to the McCanns home during November prior to the Rogatory statements and may have learned details and became confused.

Oddly, she also remembers details such as Kate wearing a jogging outfit.

Kate consistently claims that Madeleine was very tired an Madeleine asked her mother to carry her home. 
The children were signed out at 5.30pm.

 Kate then carried her back to the apartment but Gerry claims they went to the patio doors and he let them in through the back.  If, indeed, Kate had een carrying Madeleine, How did she manage the twins on her own, climbing the steep steps at the rear of the apartment.
 
This was a few hours before Madeleine disappeared and yet Kate claims she went in through the front doors.
  What mother would not remember the door used 3 hrs before she claims she saw her daughter for the LAST TIME!  Was it GERRY that got it wrong?

Did they REALLY go back to the apartment at that time?

They can't agree on what door was used even the following morning when they gave their statements?
 
THURSDAY EVENING

There are too many inconsistencies about the following few hours...

Russell claims that Kate and the children were there during the mens tennis...
 
Kate claims she went back to the apartment and took a shower AND a bath?
 
She claims she was in a towel when David Payne stopped by to pass a message on to her from Gerry ( about 6.30pm) asking if she needed help to take the children to the recreation area...

Kate claims he was there for about 30 seconds...

David Payne described the children at length....obviously from the detail he spent more than 30 seconds in the apartment.

Mrs Fenn (according to an interview with Goncalo Amaral) saw David Payne on the balcony about 7pm

Gerry had gone to tennis at 6.00pm...the others had arrived a while later from the Paraiso restaurant.

David Payne was  back at his apartment at 7.10pm.

The police asked Fiona...they finally had her agree that she had no idea where David Payne was between 6 and 7pm.

Fiona went out jogging while the children were bathed and just before it was time to go to the tapas, which made them a little late.

AT THE TAPAS
 
Gerry and Kate and Rachael and Matthew Oldfield arrived first  Jane (separate to Russell) arrived a little later.

At 9.00pm Matthew decided to 'chivvy' the Paynes as they hadn't arrived.

He walked up to the apartment and met them on the way down...but STRANGE...

Matthew claimed he saw them at the corner of the road by the frnt of the apartments....

Fiona claimed she saw him near the gate at the BACK of the apartment....

David claims he saw him near the swimming pool...
 
Dianne claimed that she CATEGORICALLY did not see him at all on her way to the tapas....at least until her Rogatories when she said she may have seen him as Fiona and David had REMINDED her... (Reminded?)
 
DINNER
 
During the dinner, the waiters claim that ONLY the men ever got up from the table and noone really knew WHY they left the table (until after the 'disappearance' when they PRESUMED they left the table to check the  children.

To be continued.... 
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Re:Holiday Timeline and Discrepancies - Did something happen to Madeleine DURING the week?

Date Posted:01/08/2014 3:08 AMCopy HTML

TIMETABLE FOR DINNER TIME 8.00pm -10.00pm




http://madeleinemccann.aimoo.com/Hour-By-Hour-Tables/Thursday-May-3rd-9-00pm-0-00pm-1-755742.html

Statements can be distinguished by colour  - (See applicable portions of statements below timetable)

GERRY
KATE
RUSSELL O'BRIEN
JANE TANNER
MATTHEW OLDFIELD
RACHAEL MANPILLY
DAVID PAYNE
FIONA PAYNE
DIANNE WEBSTER
Stephen Carpenter

Each 'block' indicates the location of each person (top of the column for names) according to others' statements per  5min intervals.

Memory, of course, can create variances but May 4th statements seem to consistenty vary considerably from subsequent statements a week later or Rogatory.

Note: 
- Discrepancy whether Matt passed the Paynes at 8.55pm
- Discrepancy WHERE Matt passed the Payne
- Whether Gerry was at the table when the Paynes arrived
- Whether ROB was at the table when Paynes arrived
- Whether Jane left/ returned earlier than the 9.10-9.15pm claim and ROB left 20mins later, completed many tasks and returned before 9.55pm
 


an addition not applicable to this thread...MO-The interviewee thinks that it is a kidnapping with the intention to demand a ransom from the parents, because these are people who are very comfortable financially.

 TIME KATE GERRY ROB JT MORMO  DPFP DW  

 9:00

At around 9pm, they had all ordered their meals

ROB -nearly all the adults were present, without children, with the exception of David, Fiona and Diane.

8.55 all the members of the group were present,
 
At around 9pm, they had all ordered their meals

ROB -nearly all the adults were present, without children, with the exception of David, Fiona and Diane.

perhaps Gerald and MATT had not been in the restaurant along with the other members of the group. 

DW -you’re not sure whetherGerry or not was there when you arrived
8.55 all the members of the group were present,

Kate May 4-at around 9pm, her husband went to the apartment to make sure the twins, as well as Madeleine, were in perfect condition, then he went back to the restaurant

At around 9pm, they had all ordered their meals

8.55 
 all the members of the group were present,
At around 9pm, they had all ordered their meals

ROB -nearly all the adults were present, without children, with the exception of David, Fiona and Diane.


8.55 
 all the membersof the group were present,
ROB So Matt, erm, around nine o’clock, give or take a few minutes, but around that sort of time, he got up and said ‘I’ll go and drag them out��?and I believe also had a listen outside of all of the rooms as well. In any case, as he was walking back, he actually met them on the way down. And so by the time they had sat down and Matt had come back from a brief listen at the windows of the bedrooms, we were all there.


Her husband Matthew, went to look for David Payne and Fiona Payne. At around9pm, the couple arrived two or three minutes after Matthew.He had been to check the children's bedrooms

you could see the light on in their apartment, you could see it from the Tapas and you could see them moving around so you knew they were still there. And so I decided that I’d go back and short of chivvy them along, 


at around 8.45pm, he and his wife left their daughter asleep in the apartment and went to the "Tapas" restaurant.

ROB -nearly all the adults were present, without children, with the exception of David, Fiona and Diane.

At around 9pm, they had all ordered their meals

as I was leaving the Tapas area, you know, and their light going off and knowing that they were coming down and on their way, and
on my way up, about at that top corner before you turn left to get round the back, as you go up the top of the hill, we sort of passed on the way down

 
Just, just into the complex, but certainly we hadn’t made it yet to the swimming pool but it was just, just about there

FP -outside kind of the, Kate andGerry’s gate, that sort of area, erm, we bumped into Matt


DW - In this regard, asked specifically whether, on the journey to the restaurant, if they had passed(Gerry or Matt)either of the two individuals described in the preceding paragraph, she answeredcategorically not

DW -That was the point you see, at that time I don’t, I didn’t remember having passed Matton the waybut you know as time’s gone on and, and err I thinkDave, Dave orFionamentioned it and that’s, I did then remember
.


perhaps Gerald and MATT had not been in the restaurant along with the other members of the group. 


8.55 
 all the members of the group were present,

rob -
Matthew Oldfield left the restaurant at shortly after 9pm to check the children

MO-
it seemed a bit silly not to go ahead and just sort of check on G***e, even though we’d only been down there about fifteen minutes

so I listened outside ourshutters and went along to their shutter and had a listen out there, not because I’d been asked to
At around 9pm, they had all ordered their meals

ROB -nearly all the adults were present, without children, with the exception of David, Fiona and Diane.

at around 8.45pm, he and his wife left their daughter asleep in the apartment and went to the "Tapas" restaurant.



8.55 all the members of the group were present,
 at the same time, one of their friends, called Russell, went to see his children, too,,nevertheless he did not go to the room where the witness was staying.
JT may 4
Around 9pm, her husband arrived at the restaurant. He had succeeded in getting **** to sleep.
At around 9pm, they had all ordered their meals
about at that top corner before you turn left to get round the back, as you go up the top of the hill, we sort of passed on the way down

 

David and Fiona. That the latter arrived at the restaurant at around 9pm

he, his wife and his mother-in-law arrived at the restaurant at around 8.55pm. According to what he remembers, when they arrived, all the members of the group were present,
 
 

Because of the late arrival of David Payne, Fiona Payne and Diane Webster,the mealbooked for 8.30pm, did not start until 9pm,

At around 9pm, they had all ordered their meals

about at that top corner before you turn left to get round the back, as you go up the top of the hill, we sort of passed on the way down 


David and Fiona. That the latter arrived at the restaurant at around 9pm

he, his wife and his mother-in-law arrived at the restaurant at around 8.55pm. According to what he remembers, when they arrived, all the members of the group were present, 
 
Because of the late arrival of David Payne, Fiona Payne and Diane Webster,the mealbooked for 8.30pm, did not start until 9pm,
At around 9pm, they had all ordered their meals

about at that top corner before you turn left to get round the back, as you go up the top of the hill, we sort of passed on the way down 

David and Fiona. That the latter arrived at the restaurant at around 9pm

he, his wife and his mother-in-law arrived at the restaurant at around 8.55pm. According to what he remembers, when they arrived, all the members of the group were present, 
 
Because of the late arrival of David Payne, Fiona Payne and Diane Webster,the mealbooked for 8.30pm, did not start until 9pm,

PC: "Can you remember where you sat on that particular night?”

DW: "Err yes I sat sort of with my back almost towards the, err kitchen bit and err Russell was on my right,Matt was on my left and I think it was then Daveand Gerry,Fiona, Kate, Jane and Rachael.”

 
 9:05 we sat down and created a timelineso I’m aware that the next person who got up was, was Gerry, not from a really clear recollection of him getting up necessarily, but, nonetheless, Gerry was away from the table for, erm, for five or ten minutes.

 Gerry may 4 - 
Thus, at 9.05 pm, the deponent entered the club, using his key, the door being locked, and went to the children's bedroom and noted that the twins and Madeleine were in perfect condition. He then went to the toilet, where he remained for a few instants,
   That around 9.05pm, the interviewee went to the area of the apartments    you’re not sure whetherGerry or not was there when you arrived, and you say you would have ordered your starters.”

 you don’t remember but you think it possible that
perhapsMatt and Gerald were not together with the other members of the group inthe restaurant. You said earlier on when we spoke that you couldn’t picture Gerrybeing there.”
 
 9:10  then crossed ways with someone with whom he had played tennis, who had a baby buggy, also a British citizen, with whom he had a brief conversation.

Her husband told her that the children were well and that he had bumped into the person with whom he had played tennis, who also had two children.

jt-9.10pm, Gerald McCann left the restaurant

rob-five minutes later, Gerry McCann and his own partner, Jane, went out, almost at the same time, to check 

That after this check, he returned to the restaurant, saying that all the children were asleep. However, Gerry, Madeleine's father, went to the area of the apartments to check for himself if the children were asleep.

He thinks that Gerry must have gone out first because Jane saw him chatting with a person on holiday at the complex, a certain Jez. He thinks that Jane only checked their apartment, being worried about ****. 

five minutes later, Gerry came back to the group in the restaurant
 five minutes later, Gerry McCann and his own partner, Jane, went out, almost at the same time, to check 

 He thinks that Gerry must have gone out first because Jane saw him chatting with a person on holiday at the complex, a certain Jez. He thinks that Jane only checked their apartment, being worried about ****.

ROB- Jane actually got up, erm, and went over and did a check, erm, and then came back. And I don’t remember her saying anything about Gerry talking or, or, or, or any problems in the room or having seen anyone, I think she just, she just did the check and returned.
That after this check, he returned to the restaurant, saying that all the children were asleep. However, Gerry, Madeleine's father, went to the area of the apartments to check for himself if the children were asleep. 

     
 9:15  RMO -After placing their orders, at around 9.15pmShe saw Gerald McCann talking to a British citizen named Jez
 JT She went past them knowing that Gerald McCann had already checked the children in the apartment.

That five minutes later, Gerry came back to the group in the restaurant.


ROB Gerry was away from the table for, erm, for five or ten minutes.

I presume at some point, although I can’t picture it, you know, Gerry himself coming back.

RMO -After placing their orders, at around 9.15pm

RMO - around 9.15pm, Gerry McCann went to check, only his apartment
 RMO -After placing their orders, at around 9.15pmJT  Five minutes later the interviewee left 

RMO -After placing their orders, at around 9.15pm
 RMO -After placing their orders, at around 9.15pmRMO -After placing their orders, at around 9.15pm  RMO -After placing their orders, at around 9.15pm RMO -After placing their orders, at around 9.15pmRMO -After placing their orders, at around 9.15pm  
 9:20  RMO -During Gerry's absence, the waiters started to bring the food. On her way back, Gerald McCann was no longer in the road 
RMO -During Gerry's absence, the waiters started to bring the food.
 RMO -During Gerry's absence, the waiters started to bring the food. RMO -During Gerry's absence, the waiters started to bring the food.

RMO Gerry returned shortly after Jane.

 RMO -During Gerry's absence, the waiters started to bring the food. RMO -During Gerry's absence, the waiters started to bring the food. RMO -During Gerry's absence, the waiters started to bring the food. RMO -During Gerry's absence, the waiters started to bring the food. RMO -During Gerry's absence, the waiters started to bring the food. 
 9:25   On her arrival at the restaurant (3) Gerald McCann was with his wife Kate Healy.

ROB - Then Gerry came back at around 9.25/9.30 and they started to eat the main course.

RMO
He was held up for nearly 10 minutes because, he said, he had been chatting with Jes about tennis.

RMO Gerry returned shortly after Jane.

 ROB -by the time the starters arrived, we’d eaten them and everything else, I thought it was probably about, you know, it was time we did a check and I also needed the toilet so rather than just go to the toilet, which was almost up to the portal, I got up and Matt, erm, said ‘Oh I’ll come and do a check as well��? So me and Matt walked back to the, to the, erm, to the flats, erm, this would have been about, about kind of twenty-five past nine, ROB - by the time the starters arrived, we’d eaten them and everything else, I thought it was probably about, you know, it was time we did a check and I also needed the toilet so rather than just go to the toilet, which was almost up to the portal, I got up and Matt, erm, said ‘Oh I’ll come and do a check as well��? So me and Matt walked back to the, to the, erm, to the flats, erm, this would have been about, about kind of twenty-five past nine,

At around 9.25pm, the interviewee went into his apartment and Madeleine's apartment
     
 9:30  As normal, dinner began at 9.30pm.

RMO Between the starters and the main course, at around 9.30pm

Stephen Carpenter-
DCF: At what time did you leave the Tapas bar'

SC: I think it was at about half past nine.

When I crossed the road outside the MW reception I remember there were cars parked, I remember taking some time to see if I could cross the road because there were cars parked to my left and I was carrying I****. They were about six metres away from me and i calculate that some (inaudible) metres from the back of Gerry’s apartment,

she vaguely remembered someone calling “Madeleine, Madeleine”, this was after we had crossed the road from the MW reception and before entering our apartment
 
RMO Between the starters and the main course, at around 9.30pm
As normal, dinner began at 9.30pm.
 As normal, dinner began at 9.30pm.

RMO -Between the starters and the main course, at around 9.30pm, her husband Matthew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien both went to check on the children.

ROB So I went into five ‘D erm, I actually went to the toilet first. Erm, and then Matt broke off at this point and he went over to his flat five ‘B� And I was just, just in the process really, after having a wee, of checking, erm, of checking Evie and had, you know, had established that she’d, erm, that she’d been, that she’d actually been sick in the cot. Erm, I, you know, Matt returned, so this was only really a matter of a couple of minutes or so later, and, you know, he asked if everything was alright and I said, you know, ‘Well Evie’s obviously awake and I think she’s been sick��? So he offered to help and stay if I needed it and I said ‘No, you go back, just let Jane know that Evie’s awake and she’s been sick and��? you know, ‘and whether she’d come back after she’s finished her dinner��?

RMO Between the starters and the main course, at around 9.30pm

As normal, dinner began at 9.30pm.
 

ROB Matt broke off at this point and he went over to his flat five ‘B


Erm, I, you know, Matt returned, so this was only really a matter of a couple of minutes or so later, and, you know, he asked if everything was alright and I said, you know, ‘Well Evie’s obviously awake and I think she’s been sick��? So he offered to help and stay if I needed it and I said ‘No, you go back, 

Erm, so Matt then went away and, to the best of my knowledge, he then went round the back of the building and did a check of Kate and Gerry’s room via the patio door, before returning to the table. 

GERRY May 4
around 9.30 pm,  MATT  went to his apartment  and on his way he went into the deponent's apartment, going in through a sliding glass door at the side of the building, which was always unlocked

 As normal, dinner began at 9.30pm.

RMO Between the starters and the main course, at around 9.30pm, her husband Matthew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien both went to check on the children.

He also checked the one where Madeleine was. He went in through the patio door 


Her husband went into the main room and, "hung about," to listen for any noise from the bedroom where the children were sleeping. He didn't switch any lights on. He could see the twins in their beds. The bedroom door was half-open. 

RMO Between the starters and the main course, at around 9.30pm
 As normal, dinner began at 9.30pm.

RMO Between the starters and the main course, at around 9.30pm

As normal, dinner began at 9.30pm.
 
RMO Between the starters and the main course, at around 9.30pmA

s normal, dinner began at 9.30pm.
 

RMO Between the starters and the main course, at around 9.30pm
As normal, dinner began at 9.30pm.
 
 
 9:35    15 to 20 minutes later,(after her arrival back)Matthew Oldfield and her husband, Russell O'Brien, left to go and see the children.

9.35/9.40, taking advantage of the lull between two courses, the informant left the restaurant with Matthew to check the children.

I got Evie out and she had some sick on her, on her, on her clothes and on her face, so I actually turned on the sort of shower taps and I got her out of her, erm, out of her kind of nightie that she was in, gave her a quick wash, erm
 GM May4 
(MO)He went into the room, saw the twins and didn’t even notice if Madeleine was there, as everything was quiet, theshutters closed and the bedroom door half-open as usual.
Then MATT went back to the restaurant

RMO Four or five minutes later the interviewee's husband came back

15 to 20 minutes later,(after her arrival back) Matthew Oldfield and her husband, Russell O'Brien, left to go and see the children

.
9.35/9.40, taking advantage of the lull between two courses, the informant left the restaurant with Matthew to check the children.
     
 9:40    Russell stayed in the room
,ROB -  and then, at some stage, either then or later on, I also stripped the, stripped the cot, I think I must have done it at the time because I think that actually had more sick on it than anything and I just rinsed that off in the bath. And then they went into the, erm, fully functioning, easily to operate by men, washing machine, that, erm, that MARK WARNER had, had, erm, provided, that was in the flat anyway. Erm, and then I just sat really with Evie down near the patio door, erm, she was, you know, she was awake but otherwise, otherwise fairly happy, and just read a book, read a book to her I think
  then Jane, you know, a number of minutes later, I mean, I would have thought his was probably around, round about the sort of twenty to mark, sort of ten minutes later from when I arrived, had come back having sort of eaten her main course Matthew checked the children then those of Gerald and Kate.

as he did not hear any noise, he thought everything was OK and went back to the restaurant. Matthew informed the interviewee that Russell was staying in the room.

Matthew returned to the restaurant five minutes after leaving it.
     
 9:45  
ROB-Jane came back and then I returned to the table about quarter to ten 

ROB-We were in the flat together for a little while and I would imagine at this point probably put the washing on
 After quickly eating the main course, the worried interviewee went to take her husband's place in the apartment      
 9:50    I went back, but I certainly didn’t see anything untoward on the way back either, although, by this point, obviously, it was pretty, it was, it was dark. His partner came to take his place in ****'s bedroom around 15 minutes later after finishing dinner.
      
 9:55   At around 9.55, he went back to the restaurant where his food had been waiting for 5 or 10 minutes. All the other adults had finished

ROB - I think my food was actually still there at the minute, butas I was starting to eat that, I mean, one came over and said ‘Oh no, don’t you know, ‘it’ll have gone a bit cold you know, ‘we’ll do you a fresh one So I then waited for a period of time, you know, sort of five or ten minuteswhile they quickly, you know, it was sort of thin steak so I’d imagine quickly grilled or fried, erm, fried up a meal of that.
       
10:00 Towards 10pm, Kate went to her apartment, and less than 5 minutes later, she came back to the restaurant         


9pm

Gerry may 4 - 
Thus, at 9.05 pm, the deponent entered the club, using his key, the door being locked, and went to the children's bedroom and noted that the twins and Madeleine were in perfect condition. He then went to the toilet, where he remained for a few instants, left the apartment, and then crossed ways with someone with whom he had played tennis, who had a baby buggy, also a British citizen, with whom he had a brief conversation. He then returned to the restaurant. At around 9.30 pm, his friend MATT (a member of the group) went to his apartment where his own children were, and on his way he went into the deponent's apartment, going in through a sliding glass door at the side of the building, which was always unlocked. He went into the room, saw the twins and didn’t even notice if Madeleine was there, as everything was quiet, the shutters closed and the bedroom door half-open as usual. Then MATT went back to the restaurant.

KATE - may 4

Thus, at around 9pm, her husband went to the apartment to make sure the twins, as well as Madeleine, were in perfect condition, then he went back to the restaurant. Her husband told her that the children were well and that he had bumped into the person with whom he had played tennis, who also had two children. 

The witness notes that 
at the same time, one of their friends, called Russell, went to see his children, too,, nevertheless he did not go to the room where the witness was staying.

JT may 4
Around 9pm, her husband arrived at the restaurant. He had succeeded in getting **** to sleepBecause of the late arrival of David Payne, Fiona Payne and Diane Webster, the meal booked for 8.30pm, did not start until 9pm, when the Payne family arrived. Usually, every 15 minutes one person from each apartment went to the respective rooms (1) to make sure everything was OK. During dinner, everything went well. Everybody was in a good mood.

The interviewee recall that, around 9.10pm, Gerald McCann left the restaurant (3) to go to the apartment to see the children. Five minutes later the interviewee left, in her turn, to go to her own apartment to check on her children. She saw Gerald McCann talking to a British citizen named Jez. They got to know each other during the holiday and played tennis together. 
She went past them knowing that Gerald McCann had already checked the children in the apartment.

After checking on her children, the interviewee went back to the tapas On her way back, Gerald McCann was no longer in the road where she had seen him talking. On her arrival at the restaurant (3) Gerald McCann was with his wife Kate Healy.

15 to 20 minutes later, Matthew Oldfield and her husband, Russell O'Brien, left to go and see the children. As their daughter **** wasn't well, and she was crying, Russell stayed in the roomMatthew checked the children then those of Gerald and Kate. According to him, he saw the twins but he did not succeed in seeing Madeleine. But as he did not hear any noise, he thought everything was OK and went back to the restaurant. Matthew informed the interviewee that Russell was staying in the room. (1) After quickly eating the main course, the worried interviewee went to take her husband's place in the apartment (1) so that the latter could eat.

While she was in the room, around 10/10.15, she heard Kate Healy and Fiona Payne shouting that Madeleine had disappeared. She did not know whether it was Kate who discovered the disappearance because she wasn't at the restaurant (3) at that moment. Every evening was like this, it was normal. In turn they left the table and went to check on the children. Madeleine Beth McCann was a sensible child, very loving, very active and fun. She liked to play. She was intelligent and the interviewee does not believe that if a stranger approached her that she would not shout. During their conversation she did not recall Kate having reported that Madeleine slept badly or that she caused any problems.

DP May 4
Concerning yesterday evening, he states that he, his wife and his mother-in-law arrived at the restaurant at around 8.55pm. According to what he remembers, when they arrived, all the members of the group were present, apart from the children, who were in bed in their respective rooms.


During the evening, Gerry, Jane and Matthew went, alternately, to their children's bedrooms to check if they were sleeping. He thinks they physically went into the apartments. He no longer remembers in what order they went see their children.

Towards 10pm, Kate went to her apartment, and less than 5 minutes later, she came back to the restaurant, breaking down, reporting that Madeleine was not in the bedroom. 


MO May 5
The interviewee says that the day yesterday was identical to the previous ones and that, as on all other nights, at around 8.45pm, he and his wife left their daughter asleep in the apartment and went to the "Tapas" restaurant.

That the couple Kate and Gerry, Madeleine's parents were already at the restaurant. That they had arrived at the restaurant five minutes before them. The rest of the adults arrived at the restaurant around five minutes after the interviewee and his wife. That the last to arrive at the restaurant was the couple David and Fiona. That the latter arrived at the restaurant at around 9pm.

That around 9.05pm, the interviewee went to the area of the apartments. Notably to the area near the windows of all the children's bedrooms. That he did not hear any noise. That he considered that all the children were sleeping. That all the children's bedroom windows were closed, notably the windows that gave access to the fourth apartment, that occupied by Madeleine. That after this check, he returned to the restaurant, saying that all the children were asleep. However, Gerry, Madeleine's father, went to the area of the apartments to check for himself if the children were asleep. That Gerry allegedly went into his apartment and that he checked to make sure that Madeleine and the twins were sleeping in their bedroom, where it was quite dark. The bedroom door was half-open. That five minutes later, Gerry came back to the group in the restaurant.

In answer to a question from the inspector, the interviewee does not know if Gerry met anyone while he was checking the children. He did not mention it.


As normal, dinner began at 9.30pm.

At around 9.25pm, the interviewee went into his apartment and Madeleine's apartment to check on the children. He states that the door of the fourth apartment (room?), that was occupied by Madeleine and the twins, was half-open and that there was enough light in the bedroom for him to see the twins in their cots. That he couldn't see the bed occupied by Madeleine, but as it was all quiet, he deduced that she was sleeping. That the light in question was from an artificial source but not inside the bedroom, rather from outside through the bedroom window. That it seemed to him that theshutters of the bedroom window were open without knowing if the window was also open.

The apartment has two bedrooms, a lounge, a small kitchen and a bathroom. The couple's bedroom has a window which is visible from the restaurant. The children's bedroom windows look out on the road outside the tourist complex. Then the interviewee went back to the restaurant.

He states that the bedroom has two windows. The twins occupy two cots placed in the middle of the room and Madeleine occupies a bed pushed against the wall, facing the wall which has the two windows that look out onto the outside of the complex. That the door through which he entered the apartment was closed but not locked. That he doesn't know if it is usual for Madeleine's parents to leave the door closed but not locked because that door is visible from the restaurant.

The interviewee thinks that it is a kidnapping with the intention to demand a ransom from the parents, because
 these are people who are very comfortable financially.


ROB - At around 7.15/7.30pm, the informant went back to his apartment. He read stories to his daughters, including **** who was feeling better. His partner, Jane, went to have dinner at the "TAPAS" restaurant at around 8.30pm and he went there at around 8.45pm. When he arrived at the restaurant, nearly all the adults were present, without children, with the exception of David, Fiona and Diane. They arrived more or less 5 minutes later.

At around 9pm, they had all ordered their meals.
 While they were eating, it was normal that every 15 minutes, one person from each apartment went to make sure the children were ok. Yesterday, as **** was not well, the interval between checks was reduced. He recalls that Matthew Oldfield left the restaurant at shortly after 9pm to check the children. He is no longer sure who went out first, but five minutes later, Gerry McCann and his own partner, Jane, went out, almost at the same time, to check the children. He thinks that Gerry must have gone out first because Jane saw him chatting with a person on holiday at the complex, a certain Jez. He thinks that Jane only checked their apartment, being worried about ****. Then Gerry came back at around 9.25/9.30 and they started to eat the main course.

At around 9.35/9.40, taking advantage of the lull between two courses, the informant left the restaurant with Matthew to check the children. When he got there, his daughter **** was crying. He stayed in her bedroom with her. He supposes that Matthew checked his apartment.Matthew returned to the restaurant five minutes after leaving it. His partner came to take his place in ****'s bedroom around 15 minutes later after finishing dinner.

At around 9.55, he went back to the restaurant where his food had been waiting for 5 or 10 minutes. All the other adults had finished.

RMO May 4
Yesterday, at around 8.45pm, like every evening, they joined the rest of the group to eat at the,"tapas," restaurant. Her husband Matthew, went to look for David Payne and Fiona Payne. At around 9pm, the couple arrived two or three minutes after Matthew. He had been to check the children's bedrooms, his own apartment where his daughter was sleeping but also that of the twins and Madeleine. He listened at both closed shuttersand didn't hear any noise. He also checked to see if there was any noise in Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner's apartment. He said that he hadn't heard any noise.

After placing their orders, at around 9.15pm, Gerry McCann went to check, only his apartmentHe was held up for nearly 10 minutes because, he said, he had been chatting with Jes about tennis. Today there was a tournament which they both had to compete in. During Gerry's absence, the waiters started to bring the food. Jane was also absent to check her apartment. Gerry returned shortly after Jane.

Between the starters and the main course, at around 9.30pm, her husband Matthew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien both went to check on the children.
 Kate was also planning to go and see the children, but they told her it was no trouble, that they would go and check. Kate, therefore, stayed at the restaurant. Four or five minutes later the interviewee's husband came back after having checked his apartment. He also checked the one where Madeleine was. He went in through the patio door (the couple Gerry and Kate McCann left this door accessible for everyone during dinner) The said patio door gives access to the apartment's lounge where two doors open into the respective bedrooms.

Her husband went into the main room and, "hung about," to listen for any noise from the bedroom where the children were sleeping. He didn't switch any lights on. He could see the twins in their beds. The bedroom door was half-open. It was only later that he realised this was strange. At the time, he gave no importance to the fact. The interviewee's husband came back to the restaurant and said that everything was fine, that he hadn't heard any noise. He also said that Russell O'Brien was staying with his daughter, ****, who was crying.

They had the main course and Jane went off to replace Russell so that he could come and eat. The interviewee does not know exactly when Russell arrived.


j so it was Kate, me, Rachael I think Dianne was next to Rachael, here. I really can’t, I can’t really, I can’t picture exactly, 
but I know, I know I was next to Kate...I think Russell might have been the other 
side of Kate or Matt was next��? 

j I was almost facing the bar area

jthere were some people inside because it was quite chilly by, by this, it 
was actually quite, quite cold��? 


ROB So Matt, erm, around nine o’clock, give or take a few minutes, but around that sort of time, he got up and said ‘I’ll go and drag them out��?and I believe also had a listen outside of all of the rooms as well. In any case, as he was walking back, he actually met them on the way down. And so by the time they had sat down and Matt had come back from a brief listen at the windows of the bedrooms, we were all there.



we sat down and created a timeline so I’m aware that the next person who got up was, was Gerry, not from a really clear recollection of him getting up necessarily, but, nonetheless, Gerry was away from the table for, erm, for five or ten minutes. And during the time that he was away, erm, you know, we decided, me and Jane, that we’d do, we’d do a check on our room. So Jane actually got up, erm, and went over and did a check, erm, and then came back. And I don’t remember her saying anything about Gerry talking or, or, or, or any problems in the room or having seen anyone, I think she just, she just did the check and returned.


I presume at some point, although I can’t picture it, you know, Gerry himself coming back. We had, we had the starters. And I think the next clear thing in my mind is actually that, erm, by the time the starters arrived, we’d eaten them and everything else, I thought it was probably about, you know, it was time we did a check and I also needed the toilet so rather than just go to the toilet, which was almost up to the portal, I got up and Matt, erm, said ‘Oh I’ll come and do a check as well��? So me and Matt walked back to the, to the, erm, to the flats, erm, this would have been about, about kind of twenty-five past nine, 



Got to my flat five ‘D��? erm, and as we, you know, got sort of quite close I could hear Evie murmuring, so she was, she was obviously awake. So I went into five ‘D��? erm, I actually went to the toilet first. Erm, and then Matt broke off at this point and he went over to his flat five ‘B��? And I was just, just in the process really, after having a wee, of checking, erm, of checking Evie and had, you know, had established that she’d, erm, that she’d been, that she’d actually been sick in the cot. Erm, I, you know, Matt returned, so this was only really a matter of a couple of minutes or so later, and, you know, he asked if everything was alright and I said, you know, ‘Well Evie’s obviously awake and I think she’s been sick��? So he offered to help and stay if I needed it and I said ‘No, you go back, just let Jane know that Evie’s awake and she’s been sick and��? you know, ‘and whether she’d come back after she’s finished her dinner��? Erm, so Matt then went away and, to the best of my knowledge, he then went round the back of the building and did a check of Kate and Gerry’s room via the patio door, before returning to the table. 


within the flat, erm, you know, I got Evie out and she had some sick on her, on her, on her clothes and on her face, so I actually turned on the sort of shower taps and I got her out of her, erm, out of her kind of nightie that she was in, gave her a quick wash, erm, and then, at some stage, either then or later on, I also stripped the, stripped the cot, I think I must have done it at the time because I think that actually had more sick on it than anything and I just rinsed that off in the bath. And then they went into the, erm, fully functioning, easily to operate by men, washing machine, that, erm, that MARK WARNER had, had, erm, provided, that was in the flat anyway. Erm, and then I just sat really with Evie down near the patio door, erm, she was, you know, she was awake but otherwise, otherwise fairly happy, and just read a book, read a book to her I think. Erm, and then Jane, you know, a number of minutes later, I mean, I would have thought his was probably around, round about the sort of twenty to mark, sort of ten minutes later from when I arrived, had come back having sort of eaten her main course



We were in the flat together for a little while and I would imagine at this point probably put the washing on and, erm, you know, and then Jane, Jane said, you know, ‘They’ve made your main course, why don’t you go back down and get it��? 



I went back, but I certainly didn’t see anything untoward on the way back either, although, by this point, obviously, it was pretty, it was, it was dark. Erm, I arrived back at the table, erm, everyone, there was, there was some hilarity in the fact that Jane had been dispatched, erm, to relieve me in the apartment, erm, and I kind of, erm, quickly picked up that that was what the, what the, the joke had been. There was, there was some dialogue with the waiters, erm, of a humorous nature as well. And I think my food was actually still there at the minute, but as I was starting to eat that, I mean, one came over and said ‘Oh no, don’t��? you know, ‘it’ll have gone a bit cold��? you know, ‘we’ll do you a fresh one��? So I then waited for a period of time, you know, sort of five or ten minutes while they quickly, you know, it was sort of thin steak so I’d imagine quickly grilled or fried, erm, fried up a meal of that.


returned and that was err with Matthew OLDFIELD at about sort of twenty five past nine


Jane came back and then I returned to the table about quarter to ten��? 


And how many times were you absent��?
Reply “That was the only, that was the only trip��?

MO - you could see the light on in their apartment, you could see it from the Tapas and you could see them moving around so you knew they were still there. And so I decided that I’d go back and short of chivvy them along, because I felt a bit bad that, you know, there’s just us in this restaurant, as there had been most of the week, there weren’t often, erm, on one night they had a quiz and there were a few sort of more tables, erm, around that were occupied, but most of the time it was just us and I felt a bit bad that we said we’d be there at half eight and, you know, it was getting later and later and it was now coming to nine and we hadn’t even got the table there to get ready to order, but by this time in the week we knew what we were going to order, so I told Rach, you know, I’ll have whatever it was, I think it was, erm, probably sardines because, you know, they were pretty good, erm, so I put my order in for her to order if the waiter came back and went to try and sort of chivvy them along. But as I was leaving the Tapas area, you know, and their light going off and knowing that they were coming down and on their way, and on my way up, about at that top corner before you turn left to get round the back, as you go up the top of the hill, we sort of passed on the way down and they were on their way to the restaurant, but it seemed a bit silly not to go ahead and just sort of check on G***e, even though we’d only been down there about fifteen minutes, but that was sort of a convenient time to go and do it. So I went and listened, I went, I found the time, because we’d only just been in there about fifteen minutes ago, and I just listened outside her shutters, so I just passed along that wall that goes to the two, sort of to the McCANN’s apartment, so I listened outside our shutters and went along to their shutter and had a listen out there, not because I’d been asked to, but, or it’s not the sort of thing you think about, it’s just kind of, erm,”.
00.12.06 4078 “You thought you might as well?”
Reply “So I thought I might as well and I can report back and they can be, you know, be reassured that everything was okay.


DP
1485 "Whereabouts did you pass him?”
Reply "Err…”
1485 "Can you mark, just…”
Reply "Yeah, the err where’s, this is the entrance here into the Tapas area.”
1485 "Yeah.”
Reply "Err my recollection was that we were just got, you know we were round there, I thought we’d actually entered into the Tapas bar to just…”
1485 "Actually into the complex?”
Reply "Just, just into the complex, but certainly we hadn’t made it yet to the swimming pool but it was just, just about there.”
1485 "Okay.”
Reply "Err yeah.”
00:46:42 1485 "And what time do you think that was?”
Reply "Err we were, we were just before nine, you know just before nine o’ clock err we yeah we went between quarter to and nine o’ clock.”


Fiona
 
Erm, on the way down, we went down the normal way, as I say, out onto the main road and round the corner. And just as we were approaching, erm, probably outside kind of the, Kate and Gerry’s gate, that sort of area, erm, we bumped into Matt who was heading back to chase us up, erm, and we had a joke, you know, we’re always late. He carried on up to check on G***e and we carried on down to the Tapas Bar and when we got there everyone else, bar Matt, was sat at the table. Erm, again, (inaudible) to get on and order. Erm, you know, there’s nothing else really”.
 
DW: "Well we arrived about, I don’t know, ten to nine, five to nine, which was very late. Err and the thing that I didn’t mention at the original err interview in Portugal was that I do vaguely remember seeing Matt, he was coming up because I think he made some joke about coming up to see where we were because we were so late, but he was actually on his way to check err check the children.”

PC: "Right.”

DW: "Err so I do, I do remember that although I didn’t remember it clearly at the time err so we got down to the table err I think we ordered our starters.”

PC: "Do you remember who was there when you got there?”

DW: "Well Matt obviously wasn’t because we we’d just passed him but of course I don’t remember this at the time, and I think in my original statement I thought maybe Gerry wasn’t there, but maybe he was, you know, I don’t know.”

PC: "You can’t be sure?”

DW: "I can’t be sure because it’s not something that I think I need to remember, you know at the time, its not something you need to remember.”

PC: "No, and it was no different from any of the other nights.”

DW: "That’s right.”

PC: "People are coming and going.”

DW: "Yeah it was err we didn’t all sit in the same positions every night, you know, we (inaudible).”

PC: "Can you remember where you sat on that particular night?”

DW: "Err yes I sat sort of with my back almost towards the, err kitchen bit and err Russell was on my right, Matt was on my left and I think it was then Dave and Gerry, Fiona, Kate, Jane and Rachael.”

PC: "So if you were to look straight ahead from where you were sitting, where would you be facing?”

DW: "I’d be, I would be facing to the, err, the apartments would be over there, and I’d be looking towards the exit I suppose.”

PC: "Okay. I have got a plan here. It’s not in relation to the Tapas I’m afraid, but if you’d like to draw a diagram if it would help you then you’re very welcome to. This is just a, it’s a, it’s being referred to as DM2, that’s just an exhibit reference.”

DW: "Yeah.”

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PC: "Err, so you’re not sure whether Gerry or not was there when you arrived, and you say you would have ordered your starters.”

DW: "Ordered the starters and err we had our, we had our starters and err we’d ordered our, our main course. Now I can’t remember, I know that err Jane err during that time, you see there, I can’t remember it was Jane or Russell when they went back to check on their children, E**e had been err sick, so I think err I think it might, might have been Russell that found her sick and he came back and I think Jane went back then and that might have been, yeah that must have been at the time when err no, I don’t know. I know they had to sort of err relieve each other because E**e had been sick.”
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DW: "Yeah well at that, that was the point you see, at that time I don’t, I didn’t remember having passed Matt on the way but you know as time’s gone on and, and err I think Dave, Dave or Fiona mentioned it and that’s, I did then remember. As I say things like that at the time are irrelevant to me, they’re not...”

PC: "Yeah, well in any case he never arrived at your apartment to come and call for you did he?”

DW: "No, no, no we passed him on the way down.”

PC: "Then it says that the whole group had met up in the restaurant, you don’t remember but you think it possible that 
perhaps Matt and Gerald were not together with the other members of the group in the restaurant. You said earlier on when we spoke that you couldn’t picture Gerry being there.”

DW: "Mm.”

PC: "It may have been a point where he’d gone off to check.”

DW: "Yeah.”

PC: "Err…”

DW: "Which would really tie in the time if you’re allowing half hour intervals, I mean Kate and Gerry were the first to arrive there so…”
 
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PC: "And you arrived with Fiona and David.”

DW: "Fiona and Dave yeah.”

PC: "And you’ve already said that you think everybody else was present other than Matt who you’d just seen.”

DW: "Mm.”

PC: "Going to check his children, and you can’t picture whether Gerry was there or not.”

DW: "Mm.”

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PC: "And did you leave the table at all during that dinner on the third of May?”

DW: "Err only to go to the toilet I think, probably.”
 
PC: "And then it says, where did you go and what time did you go? Well that’s not really relevant. (Laughs).”

DW: "(Laughs).”

PC: "How long were you away from the table and why?”

DW: "That’s a very personal question (laughs).”
 
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PC: "Again, what time did you arrive at the Tapas restaurant? Well you’ve already covered that. And who was already there? You’ve already covered that. What were Kate and Gerry doing by the time you arrived?”

DW: "Well my recollection is that, that err I thought, I thought Gerry wasn’t at the table but I can’t be a hundred percent sure. Err but I would have said that, you know, they were just sitting at the table waiting for everybody to arrive so we could order our, start ordering our food.”

PC: "And did you speak to them?”

DW: "I would think so, I spoke to everybody but, you know, I don’t…”

PC: "You can’t recall the specifics?”

DW: "No.”

PC: "What was their behaviour like?”

DW: "Just normal, you know, having a good holiday.”

PC: "And again we’ve already covered this, who left the table during the meal and why? Well you say there was Matthew, Russell and Jane comings and goings, and you don’t recall Gerry being there sometimes, so.”

DW: "Well I know that, I know that err every night, I mean the children were being checked on very regularly but I obviously wasn’t paying attention as to who was going where, when, and I wasn’t even particularly aware that sometimes they would check on each other’s children, i.e. if they were going to check their own they would listen to other people, the doors of other people, but I, I was totally unaware of that.”

PC: "I think…”

DW: "There’s no reason why I would know that.”

PC: "Yeah. I think from what I’ve learnt this week it’s actually the Thursday night was the first night that had actually…”

DW: "That that had happened.”

PC: "Yeah. I’m not wishing to labour this point but did you see Gerry leaving the table during the meal? At what time? How long was he absent? You can’t really (inaudible)…”

DW: "I can’t.”

PC: "No.”

DW: "You know, it’s…”

PC: "Can you say was he behaving or acting differently when he returned?”

DW: "No.”


Dianne Webster May 11th


Asked directly if someone had gone to her apartment to call them (herself and the PAYNE couple) for dinner the witness said no. 

Asked if there was the possibility of having crossed paths with someone during the journey between her apartment and restaurant, the witness said no.

That night she believes she arrived at the restaurant at around 21:00 in the company of the PAYNE couple.

That, at that time, the whole group were at the restaurant. The witness did not recall, but thinks that perhaps Gerald and MATT had not been in the restaurant along with the other members of the group. 

In this regard, asked specifically whether, on the journey to the restaurant, if they had passed either of the two individuals described in the preceding paragraph, she answered categorically not.

Questioned about the members who, during the dinner, had absented themselves from the restaurant, the witness says that, as she recalls, there were some people who left, failing to identify which, except for RUSSEL who had left the restaurant and taken a little more time than usual due to, from what she knows, his daughter had been sick. 

Asked, she states that it would be normal for one member of each of the couples to get up regularly in order to check in their apartments if the children were well. 

She clarifies that the practice was for each couple to check their own children, it not being usual for anyone to check the children of other couples. 



STEPHEN CARPENTER


DCF: We arrived at about seven because we had the children with us and I saw a man sitting at the table next to us with three children.

SC: Yes
.
DCF: He was going to take a plane the next day to Switzerland, given that the children’s mother lived there, I had never seen him before that night, but he ended up joining us for a coffee, he was a MW tourist. Another couple whose names I do not remember, sat at the table opposite us. A man was sitting on the esplanade having a drink whilst waiting for a take away, I spoke to them briefly, I hadn’t realised that the Tapas bar had a take away service. At that time i didn’t know their names. At approximately half past eight, Gerry and Kate and their group of approximately ten people were already seated at their table, which was so close to ours that it was possible to converse with them, we spoke of tennis amongst other things, I vaguely remember that Gerry and Kate and other people from the group would leave the table in intervals (inaudible), I think it was to check on the children , but I do not remember with what frequency or how many times the people left the table to check on the children. We did not talk about the system for checking the children or the fact that they had left them alone in the apartment, it was only later upon hearing the news that I realised that they had left the children alone in the apartment and that they were regularly checking to see if they were all right. Between approximately a quarter past nine and half past nine we left the Tapas bar to go home, we walked across the MW reception area, crossed the road and a semi circular path to return to the apartment, were we put the children to bed and a short while later did the same ourselves. I do not remember seeing or hearing anyone during our return to the apartment. When I crossed the road outside the MW reception I remember there were cars parked, I remember taking some time to see if I could cross the road because there were cars parked to my left and I was carrying I****. They were about six metres away from me and i calculate that some (inaudible) metres from the back of Gerry’s apartment, I do not remember anything about these cars, it was normal for cars to be parked there and in the morning they were no longer there. My wife mentioned on the following day that she vaguely remembered someone calling “Madeleine, Madeleine”, this was after we had crossed the road from the MW reception and before entering our apartment. She does not remember where the sound came from or whether it was in an urgent tone, not paying any more attention to it and only remembered the following day when we heard about Madeleine’s disappearance”. OK, before going on the next part, do you remember at what time you left'

SC: Humm... vaguely, I think it was what was put in the statement, the same, the leaving the restaurant, the way back to the apartment, looking to my left to check that the way was clear and I didn’t see anything....My wife vaguely remembers hearing “Madeleine, Madeleine” and that was all until the following morning when I saw the television. 



DCF: At what time did you arrive at the Tapas restaurant on 3rd May (inaudible)'

SC: At seven, I think at seven, yes.

DCF: Yes and you say that Kate and Gerald arrived at about half past eight, what was the theme of the conversation'

SC: I think it was just holiday chat, I think that we talked about our tennis and the good and bad aspects.
DCF: And who else was at the restaurant, well.... you have already referred to this in your statement.

SC: Yes.

DCF: Did you see Kate or Gerry leave the table before you'

SC: (Inaudible).

DCF: I think that this means the coming and going of people during the evening.

SC: Yes, I remember that people would absent themselves intermittently at different times, but I did not know why.

DCF: no.

SC: But as we discovered later, it was to check on the children.

DCF: And I imagine that your attention was directed towards your family and (inaudible).

SC: Yes, because we obviously had our two with us and we were on this side of the table, the single man with three small children was here and I****was playing with them, so we were more or less a group if you would like to call it that, of which they were a part, I think that all the ten members were there and some of us would speak to others here and on the other side of the table.

DCF: At what time did you leave the Tapas bar'

SC: I think it was at about half past nine.

DCF: I think that is what you said.

SC: Yes.

DCF: And you were accompanied, you replied that you were with your children and your wife. Where did you go afterwards, it says here...before going back to your apartment, can you describe the route you took'

SC: Directly to the apartment.

DCF: Did you see anyone outside the Tapas Bar or outside the apartments'

SC: If I saw anyone outside the Tapas bar or, hummm.. on the way home presumably'

DCF: Yes, is there anyone you remember that night, did you see anyone in the area'

SC: No.
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Re:Holiday Timeline and Discrepancies - Did something happen to Madeleine DURING the week?

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TIMETABLE FOR AFTER 10PM


http://madeleinemccann.aimoo.com/Thursday-May-3rd-10-00pm-4-00am/Timetable-AFTER-Disappearance-With-phone-info-1-803669.html
Information about the phone calls courtesy of santacoloma 

Debate and Theories based on the Phone Records II
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic5814.html


 TIMEKATE GERRY ROB MO DP FP JT RMO DW 
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Gerald searched the apartment and stated that the window of the children's bedroom was open and the shutter raised. He checked the shutter before continuing to search outside.

David Payne ran from the McCann's apartment towards the Millennium area. Then he turned in the direction of the church.

Russell O'Brien was in the McCann's apartment for a moment only, rushing out to search the perimeter of the apartment. Then he went to look for Madeleine with Matthew Oldfield. They went in the direction of the beach. He searched the perimeter of the tennis courts and the paths leading to the beach. Russell searched the gardens and all of the surrounding area.

Fiona searched the periphery of the complex ' one search, which she made alone. When she returned she spent the rest of the night with Kate.

It is difficult to confirm where all the elements were in the minutes/ hours after the discovery that Madeleine was missing. It appears that most of the women remained within or near the apartments, Fiona Payne left and searched around the complex, before returning to the McCann's apartment where she stayed with Kate.

The men's movements, however, are more difficult to pinpoint.
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10.00pm
 Gerry must have rushed in with Kate

the next thing I can
remember is seeing Kate and Fiona, they came running from the direction of Kate’s flat
-then they just
carried on, carried on the searching. They were sort of running around,

after we checked on G***e and come out and I think perhaps Kate and Fi were standing by the window, like on the outside of the apartment and no, Kate, I think Kate had said you know, somebody’s taken her, cos the shutter was up and the window was open, erm yeah, I think it was then that we kind of realised that she’d been taken,
 


10.10And who was present when she was telling you this”?
Reply “No just me, just me, cos erm Fi was with Kate and, and Gerry 


some people went directly into the flat initially, erm, included,including Gerry and, and Kate,
 Gerry must have rushed in with Kate

10.10And who was present when she was telling you this”? 
Reply “No just me, just me, cos erm Fi was with Kate and, and Gerry 

some people went directly into the flat initially,erm, included,includingGerry and, and Kate,

Dave, Matt and I think initially at least Gerry,just said ‘Look, let’s just’, erm, ‘let’s just split up and find’, erm, you know, ‘see if we can find her, see if she’s just wandered out’.
 we didn’t go in at that point,


 Dave, erm, Matt, Russell and myself split up in four different directions just to do a search

we all just got up and, erm, erm, and, and left with the exception of Dianne who, who I think stayed, who stayed at the chair. We then got up to the foot of the, of the apartment and, erm, you know, clearly, you know, a state of, you know, growing, growing panic. Erm, some people went directly into the flat initially, erm, included, including Gerry and, and Kate, others just stayed at the, at the, at the gate, erm, on the road leading down beside the apartment.

Dave, Matt and I think initially at least Gerry,just said ‘Look, let’s just’, erm, ‘let’s just split up and find’, erm, you know, ‘see if we can find her, see if she’s just wandered out’. So everyone did a little bit of a search just in the, in the immediate area and I went along the passageway which was in front of the patio, the patio entrances of, of the apartments, erm, round, all the way along that initially, I think, and unbeknown to me at this point, because we hadn’t really used this entrance a great deal, certainly not walked to the other end of it, it was actually a dead-end, so I then had a look in the, in the front gardens of, of the apartments on the ground floor that you could see, searched a little bit just in between the two apartments and obviously this was a fairly brief search and rapidly doubled back 



 we didn’t go in at that point,


 Dave, erm, Matt, Russell and myself split up in four different directions just to do a search

Then he went to look for Madeleine with Matthew Oldfield. They went in the direction of the beach. He searched the perimeter of the tennis courts and the paths leading to the beach. Russell searched the gardens and all of the surrounding area.

then Matt and I went round and went to our apartment to check on G***e, erm and she was there, NOTE: Jane tanner only saw Rachael
 
 

then going to talk to Janeand Matt went off 
10.10Matt sort of went back and I think he went off to sort of look a bit more and search 
and he,he went down to call the Police at the main reception of the Ocean Club



Dave, Matt and I think initially at least Gerry,just said ‘Look, let’s just’, erm, ‘let’s just split up and find’, erm, you know, ‘see if we can find her, see if she’s just wandered out’.
 we didn’t go in at that point,


 Dave, erm, Matt, Russell and myself split up in four different directions just to do a search

 
David Payne ran from the McCann's apartment towards the Millennium area. Then he turned in the direction of the church.

Dave, Matt and I think initially at least Gerry,just said ‘Look, let’s just’, erm, ‘let’s just split up and find’, erm, you know, ‘see if we can find her, see if she’s just wandered out’.
 

 she sort of raced back and she just appeared at the doors of the sort of reception area and just shouted across, erm, ‘She’s gone. Gerry, Madeleine’s gone’


we didn’t go in at that point, 


I went round the back of the apartments and round the back of the tennis courts on the main road and then cut down in front of the Baptista Supermarket and back up,

(NOTE: Did she first go with Kate to check theblinds at the front?)

Fiona searched the periphery of the complex ' one search, which she made alone. When she returned she spent the rest of the night with Kate.

the next thing I can
remember is seeing Kate and Fiona, they came running from the direction of Kate’s flat

 Fi started running upstairs and that’s when I ran to Fi and said what I thought, you know, I said ‘I think I’ve seen somebody’
-then they just
carried on, carried on the searching. They were sort of running around,

after we checked on G***e and come out and I think perhaps Kate and Fi were standing by the window, like on the outside of the apartment and no, Kate, I think Kate had said you know, somebody’s taken her, cos the shutter was up and the window was open, erm yeah, I think it was then that we kind of realised that she’d been taken,

 10.10And who was present when she was telling you this”? 
Reply “No just me, just me, cos erm Fi was with Kate and, and Gerry
 I looked out of the window to check, to see if I could see them still there, and that’s when the only person I could see still at the table was, erm, Dianne and everybody else seemed to have, seemed to have gone.

it was Rachael that I saw first because
she had run back I think to check that G***e was obviously okay
-she 
said ‘Oh Madeleine’s
gone’ or, you know, something along those lines.


the next thing I can
remember is seeing Kate and Fiona, they came running from the direction of Kate’s flat

 
Fi started running upstairs and that’s when I ran to Fi and said what I thought, you know, I said ‘I think I’ve seen somebody’

I just stayed, erm, me and Rachael just stayed with, in our own, but we were sort of out in the alley, in the sort of stairwell outside our rooms, and we were sort of staying with the kids at that point, so we weren’t actually involved in any physical running around, searching”.


just standing
outside the, the door of the apartment mostly, I didn’t really move.  trying to, you know, see what was happening. But, no, I was more or less at the bottom, as I say, at the bottom of the stairs, I’d come down”.

So what time did Jane tell you this”? 
Reply
 
“Itmust have been about, erm ten past ten or something, quarter past ten I guess”. 

other people had just came back from the immediate vicinity as well and it was established obviously that no-one had, had found her. I’m not entirely sure whether I went round to quickly see Jane at this point or whether it was after my next, erm, my next search,

 
about five to ten then or ten o’clock, so Kate said you know, she’d go up and check, do her check and within a couple of minutes later she came back and shouting Madeleine’s gone you know, and then we all just leapt up from the table and went up to her, followed her and Gerry, erm up to their apartment


I didn’t go into the apartment,
standing at the bottom of the steps by the patio doors and I think Matt and Russell might have been having a look in the garden, erm and then Matt and I went round and went to our apartment to check on G***e, erm and she was there,
NOTE: Jane tanner only saw Rachael 
 

Well literally like you know a minute,

  

Matt sort of went back and I think he went off to sort of look a bit more and search and he, he went down to call the Police at the main reception of the Ocean Club, erm and I just stayed near our apartment really

then going to talk to Jane and Matt went off 

after we checked on G***e and come out and I think perhaps Kate and Fi were standing by the window, like on the outside of the apartment and no, Kate, I think Kate had said you know, somebody’s taken her, cos the shutter was up and the window was open, erm yeah, I think it was then that we kind of realised that she’d been taken, 
-So what time did Jane tell you this”? 
Reply
 “Itmust have been about, erm ten past ten or something, quarter past ten I guess”. 

And who was present when she was telling you this”? 
Reply “No just me, just me, cos erm Fi was with Kate and, and Gerry 


 
we didn’t go in at that point



Rachel Mampilly went to see her own daughter before o
ing to meet Jane in her apartment. When they talked Jane told her that when she had gone to check on the children she saw Gerry and Jez talking together as well as a man carrying a child. 

it was Rachael that I saw first because
she had run back I think to check that G***e was obviously okay

I just stayed, erm, me and Rachael just stayed with, in our own, but we were sort of out in the alley, in the sort of stairwell outside our rooms, and we were sort of staying with the kids at that point, so we weren’t actually involved in any physical running around, searching”.


Rachael, because
G***e was asleep, she was more moving around more,

 said to mum, you know, ‘You stay put here just in case Madeleine comes down to the pool area’ 

 
After waiting at the restaurant table for five minutes, Dianne Webster went to the McCann's apartment where she entered the children's bedroom and saw Kate with the twins. Kate insisted on the fact that the window andshutterswere open when she saw the children, Dianne went outside to see if she could raise the shutter from the outside and found it to be impossible. Dianne stayed in the McCann's apartment for about 5 minutes and then returned to the restaurant to fetch her bag, the McCann's camera and the baby monitor.


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10.15pm 
He (DP) searched the rocky areas of the beach/coast and checked the stands and boats. He then returned to the Ocean Club reception, passing the Millennium area. David then checked the area around the walls together with Matthew Oldfield.

 
He (ROB)searched the eastern part of the beach, zigzagging back along the roads to the McCann's apartment. All the time more people were joining in the search andRussell knew the police had been contacted

When Matthew saw that Madeleine was not in the apartment, he went to the 24 hours reception to ask them to telephone the police. 




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 At that point, Gerry, I don’t think was in the apartment, it was mainly Kate. And Kate was just, huh, utter disbelief and I had disbelief, thinking she’s got to be here, you know, what, how can this have happened.Gerry, he was to’ing and fro’ing, in and out, in and out

At that point, Gerry, I don’t think was in the apartment, it was mainly Kate. And Kate was just, huh, utter disbelief and I had disbelief, thinking she’s got to be here, you know, what, how can this have happened.
 He searched the eastern part of the beach, zigzagging back along the roads to the McCann's apartment. All the time more people were joining in the search and Russell knew the police had been contacted
other people had just came back from the immediate vicinity as well and it was established obviously that no-one had, had found her. I’m not entirely sure whether I went round to quickly see Jane at this point or whether it was after my next, erm, my next search,

I think then we decided that we just needed to look a little bit further afield, erm, and I went round the, the front of the apartments, the high side of the apartments, had a look along there,
(SEE BELOW)
 

at some point or other me, Matt and Dave found ourselves either back at the flat or, or, or, together somewhere nearby and decided that we would, erm, head down to the beach


ROB
I then went, I think around the back, or the front really, where the car park and the apartments are, to the main road, dropping down into the, into the town centre, erm, I forget the name of it, and went down round the back of the tennis courts, looking in there, round the back of the Baptista Supermarket where there’s a car park area and a bit of derelict ground, erm, and then into the Shopping Centre, which is the bottom two or three floors of a of a relatively large building just down the hill. Erm, so that is a separate, erm, sort of search, after coming back to the foot of the apartment and clarifying that, that Madeleine hadn’t been found in the immediate vicinity

On the way back from the Shopping Centre’, in the next paragraph, I met Dave and he was running down the hill with a, with, you know, sort of panic in his eyes, saying ‘This is really bad, this is bad, they haven’t found her’. There was obviously, a number of minutes had passed by this point, while we were looking individually”.
1578 “So ‘I met Dave on the return’?”
 When Matthew saw that Madeleine was not in the apartment, he went to the 24 hours reception to ask them to telephone the police.

at some point or other me, Matt and Dave found ourselves either back at the flat or, or, or, together somewhere nearby and decided that we would, erm, head down to the beach

I remember saying to Matt at that point ‘You go down to main reception and phone the Police’

 He searched the rocky areas of the beach/coast and checked the stands and boats. He then returned to the Ocean Club reception, passing the Millennium area. 

On the way back from the Shopping Centre’, in the next paragraph, I met Dave and he was running down the hill with a, with, you know, sort of panic in his eyes, saying ‘This is really bad, this is bad, they haven’t found her’. There was obviously, a number of minutes had passed by this point, while we were looking individually”.
1578 “So ‘I met Dave on the return’?”


Dave came in and, erm, he came in initially with me, erm, when I went to Kate, I don’t think he went in any of the bedrooms, I think he was just mainly in the living room trying to put together what they should all be doing really, he was talking more to Gerry, so he was in
 by the time I got back everyone else had done their loop Erm, I remember saying to Matt at that point ‘You go down to main reception and phone the Police’
-don’t know what Matt,  I don’t know what Dave and Russell did at that point. I said ‘I’m going to go up to the’, erm, ‘Kate and Gerry’s apartment’. Gerry had come down at that point.


stayed with Kate for the rest of the eveningI didn’t, other than going onto their sort of balcony and out the front area of their apartment, I was with Kate.
I didn’t, other than going onto their sort of balcony and out the front area of their apartment, I was with Kate.  
-
And I looked, I looked throughout the whole apartment and I looked in all the cupboards, under the drawers, under the beds, behind the curtains, everywhere, erm, just, you know, trying to, knowing it had already been done, but you just do. Erm, tut, I looked, when I went into the room that Madeleine was sleeping in, the room was dark, Madeleine, erm, Madeleine’s bed was sort of folded back, the sheets, quite kind of neatly really, erm, Sean and Amelie were fast asleep in their cots, they didn’t stir, you know, I was opening the cupboards in the room and moving around the room, they didn’t stir at all, which that was, that was odd.

 
I went to the front of the house and I was trying to lift the shutter at the, at the backjust to prove whether, you know, whether it could have been opened and whether Madeleine could have opened it from the inside”.
Or did you do it from the inside?”

“I did it from, I’m talking about, so, again, the back or the front,
 
I did it from the back, which is where their balcony was”.
   She then immediately returned to the McCann's apartment. Gerry and Kate were in the apartment as well as Fiona. Fiona asked Dianne to stay with Lily and Scarlet to check that they were ok. Dianne returned to the Payne apartment and stayed there for the rest of the night. 
10.30pm 

Afterwards(ROB) he searched the adjacent apartments to the east of Kate and Gerry along the Rua da Ramalhete and more apartments to the east. On some occasions David Payne was with him.

Matthew spent most of the night searching the neighbouring areas for Madeleine without success. Matthew searched the road between the apartment and the Creche. He searched between the apartment and the Millennium restaurant, also along the beach and finally a cemetery as well as the road leading back to the apartment. Part of this search was carried out with David Payne and Russell O'Brien and part was carried out alone. Matthew talked to an Indian insurance salesman and saw Nathan, the director of the beach concession.

10.30pm






10.30pm






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10.30pm
 she was angry, really angry, tut, punching walls, kicking walls, she was covered in bruises the next day, because she just didn’t know what, what else to do. She was angry at herself, she kept saying ‘I’ve let her down. We’ve let her down Gerry’, you know, ‘We should have been here’. Erm, tut, she was praying a lot. Erm, I just don’t think she knew what to do, what to do. And she was just howling. It was just, just awful. I think as time went on it just seemed a massive delay from when we said to Matt to phone the Police, erm, that hour, it was an hour, it just seemed like an eternity,

And Kate’s ringing, Gerry’s ringing anybody under the sun, family, they just don’t, they honestly just didn’t know what to do

there was a lot of, Gerry’s in and out, I mean, they were just sobbing, going between sobbing and then feeling helpless and then ringing people and this frantic activity. Kate was desperate to have a Priest, which, you know, people find weird, but I think that was just her way of thinking ‘At least I can pray for Madeleine’ and her way of feeling that she was doing something. Erm, tut, but she wasn’t functioning”.



she kept going into the twins, she kept putting her hands on the twins to check they were breathing, she was very much concerned in checking that they were okay.
 And Kate’s ringing, Gerry’s ringing anybody under the sun, family, they just don’t, they honestly just didn’t know what to do


there was a lot of, Gerry’s in and out, I mean, they were just sobbing, going between sobbing and then feeling helpless and then ringing people and this frantic activity. Kate was desperate to have a Priest, which, you know, people find weird, but I think that was just her way of thinking ‘At least I can pray for Madeleine’ and her way of feeling that she was doing something. Erm, tut, but she wasn’t functioning”.


I was kind of talk to Gerry and then every now and then I’d go back and check on G***e, erm at one point, probably not that long after, maybeabout ten thirty or something,
Gerry and I looked at, up at the stairwell and kind of across all the floors of the block that we were in, erm and that was really the, that was all the searching that I really did, just up the stairs, I think they were five floors or something”.
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It was just really a quick you know, it would have been about five minutes, it was just up the flights and along the, you know the sort of verandas in front of the apartments
 So the three of us swept down through a number of roads, erm, and then came out down at the, you know, down on the beachfront and I think by this point we thought it, you know, it was fairly futile searching as a three so we split up and took sections of the beach


me and Dave kind of headed along towards where the majority of the beach was in the other direction 

I got myself almost over to where this Café Paradiso or Restaurant Paradiso is, along the boardwalks and out to the, to the water edge, 

 I found there that you could, if looking back, you, it wasn’t perfect, but you could see a fair amount of the beach and as well, and also be able to look at the waterline as well. Erm, went along there for a bit towards Black Rock, erm, and then, and then at some point decided to turn, to turn back



I didn’t see Russell or any of the other group in, in Kate and Gerry’s apartment.



 David then checked the area around the walls together with Matthew Oldfield.

 Matthew spent most of the night searching the neighbouring areas for Madeleine without success. Matthew searched the road between the apartment and the Creche. He searched between the apartment and the Millennium restaurant, also along the beach and finally a cemetery as well as the road leading back to the apartment. Part of this search was carried out with David Payne and Russell O'Brien and part was carried out alone. Matthew talked to an Indian insurance salesman and saw Nathan, the director of the beach concession.

So the three of us swept down through a number of roads, erm, and then came out down at the, you know, down on the beachfront and I think by this point we thought it, you know, it was fairly futile searching as a three so we split up and took sections of the beach

I think Matt looked immediately around where we had come out on the beach,

I didn’t see Russell or any of the other group in, in Kate and Gerry’s apartment.


 David then checked the area around the walls together with Matthew Oldfield.

So the three of us swept down through a number of roads, erm, and then came out down at the, you know, down on the beachfront and I think by this point we thought it, you know, it was fairly futile searching as a three so we split up and took sections of the beach

 

me and Dave kind of headed along towards where the majority of the beach was in the other direction 


Dave started searching on that part of the beach and I got myself almost over to where this Café Paradiso or Restaurant Paradiso is, along the boardwalks and out to the, to the water edge,

   20:30:21 Jane Tanner texts Charlotte Gorrod (a friend who was in Luz at the time) I was kind of talk to Gerry and then every now and then I’d go back and check on G***e, erm at one point, probably not that long after, maybeabout ten thirty or something,Gerry and I looked at, up at the stairwell and kind of across all the floors of the block that we were in, erm and that was really the, that was all the searching that I really did, just up the stairs, I think they were five floors or something”.
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It was just really a quick you know, it would have been aboutfive minutes, it was just up the flights and along the, you know the sort of verandas in front of the apartments

then I went back downstairs and really just sort of stood by Jane and we were just waiting for the Police to come, erm which you know took ages, I remember ringing Matt at least once or twice to say you know, look have you rung them, where are they, erm and I think at one point he did come back up again and the Police still hadn’t arrived and I think Gerry’s told him to go back down and ring them again, erm and then, I you know, didn’t really see him much or at all, I think they went off searching sort of down at the beach and around the village,
 
10.45pm   Gerry’s told him (Matt) to go back down and ring them again, I didn’t go all the way, turned back, as I came back, erm, you now, I bumped into the, the woman I described before, early twenties, fair hair, given the light, English, possibly a MARK WARNER employee,

and then did a, a, a comb through various streets, erm, not with any great, erm, plan but just to try and cover some area on the way back up to the, the apartments. And then obviously got back up to the apartments

by the time we got back from this I think, you know, there was, there were other people were certainly starting to congregate and, in fact, I think some people were starting to search, mainly staff from MARK WARNER

I probably went round to Jane before I’d done this, this sort of leg to the beach and back, but it may have been, it may have been that I actually went round at this point. 

Jane was stood in the doorway, I think almost certainly with Rachael, possibly with Fiona as well. Erm, and, you know, I went up and she was, you know, clearly very, very distressed,
 22:45:05 xxxx texts Matthew Oldfield

22:51:24 Rachael Oldfield calls Matthew Oldfield for 15 seconds

22:58:29 Matthew texts Rachael

22:59:12 Rachael texts Matthew


 I remember ringing Matt at least once or twice to say you know, look have you rung them, where are they, erm and I think at one point he did come back up again and the Police still hadn’t arrived 

I think Gerry’s told him to go back down and ring them again, erm and then, I you know, didn’t really see him much or at all, I think they went off searching sort of down at the beach and around the village,
   , before I spoke to the Police is some of the, I
think when they realised she was missing, MARK WARNER sort of got everybody
searching and I can remember some of the Nannies coming to the door and they took
my number, my phone number, my mobile number and said ‘If we hear anything
we’ll give you, we’ll let you know’ and that was three of the Nannies. And Exx was
still up at that time because I can remember them sort of, you know, saying ‘Oh hi
Exx’,

 
22:45:05 xxxx texts Matthew Oldfield

22:51:24 Rachael Oldfield calls Matthew Oldfield for 15 seconds

22:58:29 Matthew texts Rachael

22:59:12 Rachael texts Matthew


“Erm well most of the time I spent talking to Jane and sort of checking on G***e, erm and saw, I remember the nannies coming up to talk to us, some of the Mark WARNER nannies and they’d been searching and looking round the village and sort of you know, rallying friends and people that they knew, erm I mean we were waiting for the Police for a lot of that time cos they didn’t turn up for ages
 
11.00pm  when the Police came they turned the lights on, there was loads of noise, obviously from the moment Kate discovered that Madeleine was gone, the screaming and the shouting and there was a lot of noise and they, they didn’t, you know, so much as blink”.

23:14:51 Gerry called Kate for 8 seconds
 23:14:51 Gerry called Kate for 8 seconds
  23:00:18 Matthew texts Rachael

23:05:44 Matthew texts Rachael

23:06:17 Rachael calls Matthew for 59 seconds
23:24:31 Rachael texts Matthew
   as soon, the Police, when the Police came, I know Rachael went straight away to get them to say, so that I could tell the GNR, 23:00:18 Matthew texts Rachael

23:05:44 Matthew texts Rachael

23:06:17 Rachael calls Matthew for 59 seconds



when the GNR did arrive, erm you know, they came to say hello and erm Sylvia was there with them and so was Robert MURAT, erm there were other people sort of milling around in the background but Sylvia introduced herself and so did Robert MURAT, erm I mean he just introduced himself to me as Robert and we shook hands, erm and then sort of remember talking to somebody from I think, think (inaudible) one of the apartments on the floor above, sort of an older guy, kind of said oh he went missing when he was a child for about ten days
 


as soon, the Police, when the Police came, I know Rachael went straight away to get them to say, so that I could tell the GNR,
 
11.15pm 23:14
Gerry called Kate for 8 seconds



23:17:06 Gerry called Kate for 31 seconds

23:17:52 xxxx texts Kate
 
23:14
Gerry called Kate for 8 seconds

23:17:06 Gerry called Kate for 31 seconds


     23:24:31 Rachael texts Matthew 

after the Police arrived, erm I mean we were just you know talking about what we should do and then I thought of ringing James LANDALE and you know seeing if we could get it on the news, erm and made those phone calls, erm and then the PJ arrived, I don’t know what time that was though, probablyabout two-ish or something,
 
11.30pm  23:40:00 Gerry calls sister Trish Cameron for 00:11:13       
11.45pm  23:52:18 Gerry calls Kennedy’s of Leicester for 00:02:30 
       
MIDNIGHT  00:00:27 Kate calls her Mum & Dad for 128 seconds


00:11:01 Jane Tanner calls Dianne Webster’s home (says Fiona used her phone) for 6 seconds


00:13:50 Kate calls her Mum & Dad for 407 seconds
 00:05:00 Gerry calls Kennedy’s of Leicester for 3 seconds

00:05:45 Gerry calls sister Trish Cameron for 3 seconds

00:06:15 Gerry calls Kennedy’s of Leicester for 00:02:47


00:13:14 Gerry calls sister Trish Cameron for 3 seconds
  00:08:01 Matthew texts Rachael

00:08:12 xxxx texts Matthew (says in his interview that he doesn't recognise the number
     
12.15am   00:20:00 Gerry calls sister Philomena McCann



00:21:36 Gerry calls sister Trish Cameron for 23 seconds



00:23:12 Gerry calls brother John’s mobile for 00:03:55

00:27:07 Trish Cameron calls Gerry for 00:02:28

00:29:37 Angela Morado (British Consulate) calls Gerry for 00:04:53

  00:20:08 Rachael texts Matthew
  00:20:37 Jane Tanner calls Dianne Webster’s home (says Fiona used her phone) for 22 seconds

00:21:41 Jane Tanner calls Dianne Webster’s home (says Fiona used her phone) for 3 seconds
 

00:20:37 Jane Tanner calls Dianne Webster’s home (says Fiona used her phone) for 22 seconds

00:21:41 Jane Tanner calls Dianne Webster’s home (says Fiona used her phone) for 3 seconds
 00:20:08 Rachael texts Matthew
 
12.30am  00:36:21 Kate calls xxxx for 31 seconds

00:37:05 xxxx texts Kate


00:39:58 Kate calls xxxx for 34 seconds

00:40:50 xxxx texts Kate

 00:38:40 Sister Philomena calls Gerry for 00:06:40
       00:34:31 Dianne Webster calls home for 478 seconds

12.45am  

00:45:49 Kate calls xxxx (Possibly Parents) for 31 seconds

00:47:23 Aurelio Mendes Guerreiro (Pat Perkin’s friend, owner of the Pacifico Bar, Vilamoura, 1 hour drive East of Luz) calls Kate (but speaks to a male) for 239 seconds


00:53:08 xxxx texts Kate 
 00:45:15 Kennedy’s of Leicester call Gerry for 00:01:18

00:47:41 Angela Morado (British Consulate) calls Gerry for 00:02:15
       
 1.00am 01:02:08 Aurelio Mendes Guerreiro (Pat Perkin’s friend, owner of the Pacifico Bar, Vilamoura, 1 hour drive East of Luz) calls Kate for 223 seconds
        
 1.15am  01:16:11 Gerry calls Angela Morado (British Consulate) for 00:01:57



01:29:58 Sister Philomena calls Gerry for 00:03:36
   01:17:17 David Payne calls Dianne Webster for 92 seconds    01:17:17 David Payne calls Dianne Webster for 92 seconds
 1.30am  01:43:55 xxxx (Possibly mum Eileen) calls Gerry for 00:03:29
      01:42:55 Rachael calls Kath Landale for 75 seconds


01:58:33 Kath Landale calls Rachael for 00:06:58
 
 1.45am         
 2.00am 02:07:03 Kate activates Luz Centro 2 Antenna - No further info available        
 2.15am 02:18:29 xxxx texts Kate

02:20:03 Kate activates Luz Centro 2 Antenna

02:21:12 Kate texts xxxx



02:23:27 xxxx texts Kate

02:27:28 Kate calls xxxx
       02:22:45 Kath Landale calls Rachael for 125 seconds 
 2.30am 02:33:28 xxxx (Possibly the BBC or British Embassy) calls Rachael for 692 seconds

02:33:38 xxxx texts Matthew

02:38:58 Lynda & Mark McQueen landline calls Kate for 585 seconds
        

 KATE GERRY ROB MO  DPFP JT  RMO DW
2.45am  02:53:49 Kate called Jon & Michelle Corner for 16 seconds
        
3.00am 03:05:03 xxxx (Possibly Paul Seddon - McCann Priest) texts Kate

03:06:17 Kate texts xxxx (Possibly Paul Seddon)

03:06:54 Kate called Jon & Michelle Corner for 5 seconds

03:07:38 Kate calls Jon Corner Mobile for 3 seconds

03:08:33 Kate called Jon & Michelle Corner for 3 seconds

03:09:05 Kate called Jon & Michelle Corner for 4 seconds

03:10:29 Kate calls xxxx for 10 seconds
        
3.15am  03:20:21 Kate called Jon & Michelle Corner for 14 seconds

03:23:28 Jon Corner Mobile calls Kate for 184 seconds

03:28:46 Jon Corner Mobile calls Kate for 416 seconds

   I think we went to bed about three, maybe might have been a bit later but we did think we ought to go and get some sleep, erm cos there wasn’t really much that we could do,    I think we went to bed about three, maybe might have been a bit later but we did think we ought to go and get some sleep, erm cos there wasn’t really much that we could do, 
3.30am  03:31:13 xxxx texts Kate

03:39:04 xxxx (Possibly the BBC or British Embassy) calls Rachael for 207 seconds
        
3.45am 03:55:21 Jon Corner (Mobile) texts Kate

03:55:56 Kate texts Jon Corner (Mobile) 
        
4.00am  04:03:44 Jon Corner (Mobile) texts Kate

04:05:40 Kate texts Jon Corner (Mobile)

04:12:33 Kate texts Jon Corner (Mobile)

 04:14:44 Gerry texts xxxx
       
4.15am

04:22:12 xxxx texts Kate

  04:19:02 xxxx (Possibly Sandy Cameron mobile) texts Gerry

04:20:34 Brother John (mobile) texts Gerry
       
4.30am 04:31:30 Jon Corner (Mobile) texts Kate

04:36:30 xxxx (Unidentified UK Mobile) calls Kate for 1727 seconds
(just less than half hour)

santacoloma
Page 3
"About 23:00 that night I received a very embarrassed call from my wife's mother who told me about Madeleine's disappearance. Aunt Nora, from Canada, was in Skipton and was about to return to Canada the next morning. I suggested I drive Nora back to Liverpool. We all thought that Madeleine was going to appear in the following hours, therefore I drove Nora back to Liverpool in the early morning of Friday, 4 May. I stayed in Liverpool.I spoke to Kate by phone between 10:00 and 11:00am that morning and she confirmed that she wanted her mother, her father and Nora with her."
Hmmmm....in the early morning. Conveniently vague, but I imagine MW took Nora there straight away, say at midnight, to join Sue, Brian and PP who may have been about to finish her duty by then.
Between 10 and 11.Well, if harmony's ident is correct, he spoke to her for 28 minutes between 4 and 5, never mind 10 and 11.
0422 KM receives text from Eileen (GM's mother). Eileen had rung her son at 0144, and had to do so again at 0723 and 0751 - the mean bar-steward wouldn't ring her. Eileen had also texted KM on 2 May at 0853. She must be a typical doting mother - no doubt she still thinks the sun shines forth out of their posteriors. Or Gerry's, anyway.
0436 MW? rings KM for 28m 45s.
0455 KM replies to Eileen's text.
        
4.45am  04:52:16 Kate texts Jon Corner (Mobile)

04:55:54 Kate texts xxxx

        
5.00am         
5.15am         
5.30am          
5.45am         
6.00am  06:02:08 Susan Healy mobile texts Kate

06:04:11 Kate texts her Mum’s mobile

06:05:29 Kate calls Amanda’s home landline for 702 seconds

06:08:17 Jon Corner (Mobile) texts Kate


06:18:17 Kate texts Jon Corner (Mobile)


06:34:53 xxxx texts Kate


06:39:38 Kate texts Jon Corner (Mobile)

06:47:42 Jon Corner (Mobile) texts Kate

06:59:12 Jon Corner (Mobile) texts Kate

06:59:44 Kate texts Jon Corner (Mobile) 
       
06:26:30 xxxx (Possibly the BBC or British Embassy) calls Rachael for 447 seconds


06:38:39 xxxx (Possibly the BBC or British Embassy) calls Rachael for 262 seconds

G***e was always up sort of about six, half six, erm and when we got up you know everything was quiet outside, they didn’t seem you know the Police didn’t seem to be around or, there didn’t seem to be any activity,
 
7.00am  07:41:14 Jill Renwick calls Kate for 210 seconds

07:44:48 Kate activates Luz Centro 1 Antenna (Withheld)

07:46:36 Kate activates Luz2 Antenna - (Withheld)

07:48:12 xxxx calls Kate

 07:06:06 xxxx (Possibly Sandy Cameron mobile) texts Gerry

07:09:04 Brother John (mobile) calls Gerry for 00:03:26

07:15:19 Gerry calls Angela Morado (British Consulate) for 00:04:51

07:23:20 xxxx calls Gerry for 00:05:53


07:51:14 xxxx (Possibly Gerry’s mum Eileen) calls Gerry for 00:01:26

      07:52:58 Rachael calls xxxx for 00:01:14

07:55:26 xxxx (Possibly the BBC or British Embassy) calls Rachael for 00:01:45

07:57:55 xxxx (Leicestershire landline) calls Rachael for 00:02:04

 
8.00am 
08:06:14 Susan Healy (Mum’s) mobile texts Kate

08:07:52 Kate texts her Mum’s (Susan Healy) mobile



08:11:55 Jill Renwick calls Kate for 116 seconds



08:27:26 xxxx texts Kate

08:28:50 Kate texts xxxx (same number as above) back

08:29:56 xxxx (same number again) texts Kate back

08:31 Kate called Jon & Michelle Corner

08:31 Kate called Michelle Corner Mobile

08:31:21 Jill Renwick calls Kate for 153 seconds


08:34:09 Kate calls xxxx for 32 seconds

08:34:19 Kate calls Jon Corner Mobile for 61 seconds

08:34:59 xxxx (Possibly Message Centre) texts Kate

08:35:31 Kate calls xxxx for 20 seconds

08:36:03 Kate calls xxxx for 37 seconds

08:45:20 Kate calls xxxx

08:51:42 Kate texts xxxx

08:52:41 Kate calls Jon Corner Mobile for 75 seconds

08:56:15 Kate calls Nuala for 47 seconds

08:57:17 Jill Renwick texts Kate


 08:35:15 Gerry calls Angela Morado (British Consulate) for 00:01:43

08:50:27 Gerry calls Angela Morado (British Consulate) for 00:04:47
 08:13:19 Russell O’Brien calls his mum on home landline in Liverpool for 169 seconds
 Matt took G***e up for breakfast to the Millennium, erm and they came back, 08:09:56 Simon Green, DP's Brother-in-Law, calls David Payne for 71 seconds


08:53:07 David Payne calls his Mum for 127 seconds



   
08:05:11 xxxx (Possibly the BBC or British Embassy) calls Rachael for 00:00:42

08:06:13 Rachael’s Mum texts Rachael


08:08:14 Rachael calls xxxx for 00:02:07

08:08:18 xxxx texts Rachael


08:10:31 Rachael calls Voicemail Retrieval for 00:00:49

08:11:27 xxxx texts Rachael


08:13:19 Rachael calls xxxx for 00:05:26 (Network/Location withheld)

08:20:44 (Possibly the BBC or British Embassy) calls Rachael for 00:01:44



08:33:32 (Possibly the BBC or British Embassy) calls Rachael for 76 seconds

08:42:14 xxxx (Possibly the BBC or British Embassy) calls Rachael for 00:07:43


08:46:50 xxxx texts Rachael


08:50:32 Rachael calls xxxx for 00:00:50


08:53:56 xxxx calls Rachael for 00:11:42

08:57:37 Kath Landale texts Rachael 

I remember having, sort of being on the phone a little bit to the BBC I think that morning, erm and then sort of various phone calls, I talked to John CORNER who’s a friend of Gerry and Kate’s, erm cos the BBC wanted a picture of Madeleine, erm and he had some photos that he was going to be able to send them
 
9.00am 






09:09:32 Jon Corner (Mobile) texts Kate

09:09:44 Jon Corner (Mobile) texts Kate

09:10:39 Kate activates Luz2 Antenna - No info. available. Kate’s full records not in files.

09:12:04 Kate activates Luz2 Antenna - No info. available. Kate’s full records not in files.







09:25:51 xxxx texts Kate

09:26:03 xxxx texts Kate

09:29:18 Jill Renwick texts Kate

09:30:02 Kate activates Luz2 Antenna - No info. available. Kate’s full records not in files.


09:33:22 Jon & Michelle Corner call Kate for 335 seconds

09:33:25 Kate calls xxxx for 57 seconds

09:34:42 901 (Message Centre?) texts Kate


09:37:04 Jon Corner (Mobile) texts Kate

09:41:09 xxxx texts Gerry


09:45:21 Fiona & Richard (from Leicester) call Kate for 105 seconds

09:46:23 Jill Renwick texts Kate

09:47:48 Kate calls 901 (Message Centre?) for 58 seconds


09:49:50 xxxx texts Kate

09:50:23 xxxx texts Kate

09:50:38 Kate texts xxxx

09:51:12 Kate activates Luz Centro 2 Antenna - No info. available. Kate’s full records not in files.


09:55:14 Kate activates Luz Centro 2 Antenna - No info. available. Kate’s full records not in files.


09:58:53 xxxx texts Kate

09:59:20 xxxx texts Kate

09:59:31 xxxx texts Kate
 09:01:55 xxxx calls Gerry for 00:01:45


09:04:16 xxxx (Possibly Gerry’s mum Eileen ) calls Gerry for 00:01:28

09:05:38 NUMBER WITHHELD / BLANKED OUT calls Gerry for 00:02:12


09:14:28 xxxx calls Gerry for 00:03:58

09:16:07 xxxx texts Gerry


09:30:47 xxxx texts Gerry

09:35:51 Gerry texts xxxx




09:41:52 NUMBER WITHHELD / BLANKED OUT calls Gerry for 00:07:07

09:49:01 xxxx calls Gerry for 00:01:42
09:57:04 xxxx calls Gerry for 00:02:36



   09:51:14 Simon Green, DP's Brother-in-Law, calls David Payne for 95 seconds
  09:04:46 Jane Tanner texts Charlotte Gorrod

09:12:38 Jane Tanner calls her mum for 240 seconds

 
09:02:44 xxxx texts Rachael

09:02:58 xxxx calls Rachael for 00:00:01


09:14:17 xxxx calls Rachael for 00:01:10

09:22:53 xxxx calls Rachael for 00:03:27





we would have taken G***e to crèche I think for about nine half nine I think
 
10.00am
10:01:06 Kate texts xxxx



10:03:06 Kate activates Luz 2 Antenna - No info. available. Kate’s full records not in files.


10:06:23 xxxx calls Kate for 272 seconds



10:16:21 xxxx texts Kate


10:17:16 Kate activates Luz 2 Antenna - No info. available. Kate’s full records not in files.



10:18:21 Jon Corner (Mobile) texts Kate

10:20:42 Kate calls her Mum’s Mobile for 171 seconds



10:26:38 xxxx calls Kate for 16 seconds

10:27:24 xxxx calls Kate for 54 seconds

10:30:22 Kate calls Fiona & Richard





10:33:20 Kate activates Lagos Centro DCS 3 Antenna - No info. available. Kate’s full records not in files.

10:34:57 Kate activates Praia Porto MOS 3 Antenna - No info. available. Kate’s full records not in files.

10:35:49 Geetisha Mobile calls Kate (activated Bensafrim 1 Antenna)

10:38:38 Kate activates Odiaxere Norte 2 Antenna

10:40:00 Kate activates Odiaxere Norte 1 Antenna


10:44:53 Kate activates Portimao 1 Antenna - No info. available. Kate’s full records not in files.

10:45:24 xxxx calls Kate (Portimao 1 Antenna)


10:46:52 Kate activates Portimao DCS 2 Antenna

10:48:38 Kate activates Portimao Estadio DCS 3 Antenna - No info. available. Kate’s full records not in files.



10:49:50 Kate activates Portimao Centro 3 Antenna - No info. available. Kate’s full records not in files.

10:51:46 Kate activates Portimao Centro 1 Antenna - No info. available. Kate’s full records not in files.


10:53:32 Kate activates Portimao Centro 1 Antenna

10:55:45 Kate activates Portimao Centro 1 Antenna



10:57:51 Jill Renwick Mobile calls Kate (activates Portimao Centro DCS 1 Antenna)


 about ten, half ten Gerry, Kate, Matt and Jane and maybe Dave as well, erm went to Portimão to the Police Station to start doing interviews”.
 




10:01:17 Gerry calls Kate’s parents, The Healy’s, for 00:05:57


10:06:08 xxxx calls Gerry for 00:02:52

10:11:21 NUMBER WITHHELD / BLANKED OUT calls Gerry for 00:08:22


10:42:58 NUMBER WITHHELD calls Gerry (while on way to Portimao cop shop)


10:56:07 Brother John (mobile) calls Gerry (In Portimao) for 00:01:12

10:59:09 Kennedy’s of Leicester call Gerry (in Portimao) for 49 seconds



about ten, half tenGerry, Kate, Matt and Jane and maybe Dave as well, erm went to Portimão to the Police Station to start doing interviews”.

 10:32:57 Russell texts Jane

10:49:43 Russell calls xxxx for 63 seconds


10:52:04 Russell calls his work (Prof AN - in France at the time) for 13 seconds

10:53:10 Russell calls another work colleague, TW, for 241 seconds
 about ten, half ten Gerry, Kate, Matt and Jane and maybe Dave as well, erm went to Portimão to the Police Station to start doing interviews”.
 10:16:32 Simon Green, DP's Brother-in-Law, texts David Payne

10:30:51 Simon Green, DP's Brother-in-Law, texts David Payne


 10:32:57 Russell texts Jane
 

about ten, half tenGerry, Kate, Matt and Jane and maybe Dave as well, erm went to Portimão to the Police Station to start doing interviews”.
 10:17:35 xxxx calls Rachael for 253 seconds

10:31:06 xxxx calls Rachael for 261 seconds

10:55:48 xxxx (BBC or British Consulate?) calls Rachael for 210 seconds
 10:26:04 Dianne Webster’s home (husband) calls Dianne’s Mobile for 860 seconds

10:45:31 Dianne Webster calls xxxx for 31 seconds


11.00am          

 Emma Knights (client support director) searched the beach area and asked Kate what Madeleine had been wearing. Shortly afterwards Emma returned to the McCann's apartment and stayed with Kate.

Gerald was seen and spoken to by Neil Berry and Raj Malu. They heard him calling for Madeleine when they were sitting on Neil's balcony, not far from the McCann's apartment. They both went down to talk to Gerald and helped in the search.

Both David Payne and Matthew Oldfield were seen by Emma Knights when she was on her way to the beach, the search area to which she was assigned by Lyndsey Johnson (child care director and search coordinator).

I’ll just say that. I think then we decided that we just needed to look a little bit further afield, erm, and I went round the, the front of the apartments, the high side of the apartments, had a look along there, erm, got to the, what I’m calling the main road that drops in from, erm, from the, from the motor, from the dual carriageway outside of town, and then looked, you know, down, you know, looked down the hill there, erm, towards the, the, erm, the western side of the tennis courts, erm, really looking, you know, either side of the road just to see if she was sort of wandering there, erm, and you could hear kind of ‘Madeleine’ being shouted pretty much everywhere around at this point. Erm, that, the next, after I kind of moved down a bit to the left, there was the Supermarket quite some distance away, but there’s a, there’s a, there’s a road and I think it had a car park or a, well certainly a car park but there was an area of sort of rough that you could probably, you know, it’s not tarmaced or anything, had a look around there, couldn’t see her. And then there’s, erm, there was an entrance into, erm, the building kind of opposite this, which is, is, which is like a Shopping Centre, erm, or at least the lower floors seemed to have a kind of a set of like a Curry House and a Bar and a few things and a swimming pool as well, and, huh, I can’t remember the layout in there very much, but I remember it being kind of split on, on at least sort of two levels, lots of little recesses around kind of, I think kind of shop windows and stuff. So I didn’t really know where I was going, I’d never been in it before, but, nonetheless, sort of wandered around the lower floor and didn’t find anything. I went up on, on, I think on the next floor up, as I came off the stairs and came round there was a, a small Coffee Bar or a Bar on the left and looked in there and asked, there was a, there was a, a man and a, erm, erm, presumably a barman in there, just, there was only a couple of people, and said, you know, ‘Have you seen a little girl’ and, I mean, I don’t know how much English they spoke, but they seemed to, they just sort of shrugged and said no. So then just around that area. And then, and then found my way out of the, the Shopping Centre and actually came out at the other end from where, well a different entrance, I didn’t come out the same way I don’t think, erm, and, erm, it was actually on the road that comes down in front of the Baptista Supermarket. I don’t know whether I searched a little bit more around there, but not long thereafter I met Dave coming down the road in front of the Supermarket, erm, just looking terrible, just pale, erm, you know, sort of, you know, sort of fear in his eyes, saying, you know, ‘This is’, erm, ‘This is really bad. This is bad’, you know, ‘No-one’s found her. No-one’s found her’. Erm, and I don’t know what happened at this point particularly, erm, whether we went around there, but at some point or other me, Matt and Dave found ourselves either back at the flat or, or, or, together somewhere nearby and decided that we would, erm, head down to the beach,


Sylvie, who was the translator, I’m not sure when she arrived whether it was before the Police arrived or after the Police arrived or whenever, 

then when the PJ actually arrived they came and got me to go and talk to the, the PJ”.
I can’t remember what time of night that
is, but that might have been before the Police came as well or just after the Police, but
they’re the only other real people I can remember talking to”.(nannies)


’And a female member of staff possibly from MARK WARNER’?”
Reply “Yeah, she was certainly, yeah, she was, she was English, you know, clearly not a, not a local. Erm, next it says ‘We tried to find a picture of Madeleine’, I mean, it wasn’t so much struggling to get the picture, it was struggling to find the means of printing it. We had the cam, we had Kate’s camera, erm, the, what we were trying to do is find a picture that actually gave a good likeness, rather than just being any old shot it actually had, you know, a close-up of her, of her face. There were a lot of pictures on the camera but they were, you know, just at home and on, you know, in profile and things like that”.


We were searching for a printer and Kat, one of the Nannies, said she had a printer’. I’m pretty sure it was Kat.

So the pictures of Madeleine?”
Reply “On a digital camera”.
1578 “That were printed off?”
Reply “Yeah”.
1578 “Came from Kate’s camera”.
Reply “From Kate’s camera as far as I can remember, yeah. And the main issue was trying to find somewhere to print it”.
1578 “What about if we say ‘Kate checked her camera and found some pictures’?”
Reply “Yeah, yeah, or ‘Kate’s camera was checked’, I don’t think Kate was in no, in no state whatsoever to check her camera”.
1578 “Okay. So ‘We tried to find a picture of Madeleine’?”
Reply “Yeah”.
1578 “’Kate’s camera was checked’?”
Reply “Umm, ‘And Kat or one of the other Nannies went to their flat to retrieve a printer or something that would connect to a printer andthen the pictures were printed in the office off the small reception portal’, there’s a little office in there”.


 Kat was there and Leanne was there, but whether it was actually their printer or lead, I’m not sure. The rest of that paragraph, erm, is fine. Erm,I think Gerry, it was actually Rachael, where it says ‘I’m not sure who informed the Authorities or media about Madeleine’s disappearance’, it says ‘It may have been Gerry’, erm, oh I beg your pardon, it’s the Authorities there, it says ‘Authorities or media’. I think, erm, Gerry and Matt, erm, were the people who, who actually tried to get the Ocean Club to phone the Police but it wasn’t the media, so maybe delete, if you delete ‘or media’, because the person on the media, I think that was, I think that was Rachael”.

I loathe the media’ comma, just to make it, just to read. Erm, ‘A very low opinion of them’, full-stop. ‘David also’, ‘David was also keen to make use of the media and I think he may have conducted’, conducted, ‘may have sent an email but I’m not sure’, I think he was looking to do it but I don’t think, erm, I don’t think that actually happened”.
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Many people ask me how I arrived at my 'theory' about what happened.

Initially I knew nothing...and was asked by a non related forum what my thoughts were...

At that point i couldn't answer because I didn't have the knowledge to make an informed opinion, so I joined some of the forums discussing the case.
The rest is history...

Like most others, I was intrigued with the discrepancies and started checking some of the timelines etc.

At that point the files had not been released, but SOL newspaper gave us an idea of what may have happened (later confirmed by the files)

I opened a forum to file everything as I found myself repeating myself so often, so for times sake it was easier to have the details filed and easily accesible to add to posts.

In August of 2008 the files were released.

There was a major effort to have then translated, and one of the first set of translations was that of the Ocean Club staff..

I was confused with names and nicknames so decided to do a 'Staff Rota' so I could make it easy to see who was working that night...

I took the relevant parts of the statements and started highlighting them for the portions that were applicable....and that when I started to see discrepancies...or oddities that made me curious.

I then took the groups statements and separated all the comments into a timetable so I could compare what each member said regarding a particular time (15 min intervals). Thats when I saw MANY DISCREPANCIES. (not memory related)

It also gave me an 'overview' of the activities of that week.

With so many discrepancies happening on Thursday i felt that something had happened on Wednesday and the Thursday was 'covering up the truth' day.

By this time I had seen all the other files and statements and could not find anything to dispute something happening on Wednesday.

Further down the road I was discussing with someone about when Madeleine was last seen and realised that I couldn't find a CREDIBLE PROOFstatement (mistaken or questionable credibility) th

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Further down the road I was discussing with someone about when Madeleine was last seen.
I started to look at the statements of those claiming to have seen her.  The Tapas Cook said she saw her every day going into the creche.  Madeleine did not attend that creche.  She went to the creche above reception about 10 mins away so she may have been mistaken.

I then decided to do a thorough compilation of all the people that claimed to have seen Madeleine throughout the holiday.

At that point I saw that the tennis coach mentioned  the mini tennis on Tuesday morning.

I then decided nothing could have happened to her prior to |Tuesday |UNtiL I scrutinised the statement and saw that she did not specifically say she saw her...Just a reference to Madeleine's group playing mini tennis.

None of the statements were PROOF she was not there but none of them were proof that she WAS there.

This took me back to Sunday with the cleaner's daughter's statement that said she saw Madeleine and her family at lunchtime coming out of their apartment and Madeleine was carrying bread and possibly going up to the Payne's apartment (which we know from statements likely happened).

This was the ONLY credible statement in my opinion that confirmed Madeleine was seen Sunday lunchtime.  I have seen no others that were specific or confirmed credible after that.

I looked at the discrepancies of Tuesday....and saw how something was not right.  Everything started to fall into place.

IF something had happened to Madeleine AFTER Sunday lunchtime and BEFORE the discrepancies and curiosities started to happen on Tuesday then many of them could be explained if Kate was in grief and the 'plan' for the abduction was in place.

I do not believe that Dianne Webster knew anything and it was therefore important to not be around as a group during the day in case questions were asked.

They no longer went to breakfast and did not go to the Paynes apartment for lunch.

Tuesday morning Gerry told Jez Wilkins that they left the children alone....opening up the knowledge that there was going to be an opportunity for an abduction.
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This was the day they 'supposedly' went for a walk to the beach and the 5 ice creams and a thorough description of a guitarist.
This was the chosen day to claim they bought Gerry's sunglasses.  Did they do that because they knew at this point they were going to use a picture taken on Sunday for the Last Picture that would be claimed to have been taken Thursday, but wanted to deflect from it being Sunday by claiming he didnt have the sunglasses until Tuesday?

They returned to the creche at 2.50pm approx where the activity for that afternoon was an ice cream trip to the beach!

Tuesday evening was when the quiz mistress started the quiz at 9.00pm and was invited to their table for 20 mins.  She claims that noone got up from the table and that there was a place setting that may have indicated someone left.

She did not recall seeing Kate (at the apartment grieving?) or possibly David Payne.Russell O Brien claims to have been at his apartment looking after his youngest daughter who was sick.

Only Fiona, Gerry, Dianne, Rachael and Matt were at the tapas and yet the waiters always claimed they were all there.  Could this be why the police asked everyone if the irwin sisters were at their table?  Did they make up the numbers?

After the quiz is when Mrs. Fenn heard the crying for 75 minutes.

Prior to the crying starting at 10.30pm Kate received a flurry of phone calls ( sugges10.16 - 10.27).  It has b
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It is suggested she received the calls at the apartment.
The following morning she made very early calls to her friend Amanda at approx 7am and this was when the well known 14 text messages started to arrive to Gerry's phone (denied by both Kate and Gerry)

The cleaner claims to have seen a cot in the parents bedroom but they denied it.  At this point I felt there really was something that had happened and they needed to hide it

Wednesday had some discrepancies....

Wednesday evening, instead of the couples going to the tapas individually, Gerry and Russell O'Brien went together.  No indication if Jane went to the tapas but when Jez askd gerry about Kate he was told that she was putting the children to bed...Did she EVER go to the tapas that night?  Did Jane stay with Kate?

Thursday discrepancies were too many to mention here...

Thefirst one is that we are told that Madeleine went to her parents and asked why they didnt come when she was crying.....In their statements on May 4th they BOTH claimed it was the twins that Madeleine had told them were crying...but by their next statement it had changed to Madeleine.

One would think that if they had told the police on may 4th that it was the TWINS that were crying, that the night before, if Kate had mentioned to Fiona and Jane about the crying they would have told them the same as they told the police the following day...BUT THEY DIDN'T!

Both Jane and Fiona claim they told then that it was Madeleine that had been crying....

This is what they CHANGED their statements to say later...so was it LATER that they told Jane and Fiona?

Many...Many...Many discrepancies happened on Thursday and one has to wonder why?  

Were they covering up something that happened earlier?

I believe so, and have NEVER found anything in the last 7 years to prove my research incorrect.

Something happened to Madeleine earlier in the week and there is every indication that the last few days of their 'holiday' were spent 'preparing' for the faked abduction.

If my research can be disputed i will willingly change my opinion.

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