5. Why do you and your admins bully and boot off posters who challenge your view of the case?

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Rank：Diamond Member Score：2851 Posts：2851 From：USA Register：26/01/2013 4:34 PM	Date Posted：11/02/2015 12:36 AMCopy HTML 5. Why do you and your admins bully and boot off posters who challenge your view of the case? May I ask WHEN have any of my admin BULLIED ANYONE? That is the most outrageous suggestion I have ever seen! All my admin DETEST bullying and would never allow it and if ANYONE can show me an example i would be more than interested. ALL of my admin are 'virtual delights' (one more than the others...lol) and we HONESTLY care about our members and are probaly the only group that tolerates differences of opinion. We WELCOME those with a different opinion BUT that does not include those who are there with the intent of disrupting. Relatively easily spotted now as we save EVERYTHING and a quick search reveals 'similarities' to former disruptors. Just because the admins appear to be taken in....NEVER take it for granted... We have our little HiDeBox that we constantly monitor all posts and should you be thinking you are going to disrupt, we will allow you for as long as we feel it's worth seeing the 'effort' and then its time to take action... We are a TEAM and our goal is to keep HDH as close to discussing FACTS as possible and allowing EVERYONE the opportunity to discuss and have links to the files provided, but we are NOT here to humour those whos sole purpose is to discredit the files. Thats why you have your own group Why would you claim that WE bully and boot off posters when I have seen the most disgusting comments on the Pond and ALL with admin approval! When questioned, wouldn't even accept or admit responsibility! I should maybe also mention that this particular person is also responsible for posting personal PM comments out of context to suggest somone IS a pedophile when I saw NO SUCH EVIDENCE.
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Rank：Diamond Member Score：2851 Posts：2851 From：USA Register：26/01/2013 4:34 PM	Re：5. Why do you and your admins bully and boot off posters who challenge your view of the case? Date Posted：12/02/2015 6:48 PMCopy HTML Unfortunately, the POND were not receptive to viewing from this forum, claiming that it was 'Infected' and that I harvest IPS. Firstly they were assured this forum is SAFE Their comments will be shown in the following messages with a reponse to any lies.
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Rank：Diamond Member Score：2851 Posts：2851 From：USA Register：26/01/2013 4:34 PM	Re：5. Why do you and your admins bully and boot off posters who challenge your view of the case? Date Posted：12/02/2015 6:50 PMCopy HTML Cass Sidebotham Lizzy, we ‘have our own group’ because you removed all of the pros from your page in one fell swoop, . Lets ALSO remember that this was NOT HDH. It was the debates page where there was no moderating and members remained as long as they respected the trust to behave respectfully https://www.facebook.com/groups/HiDeHoDebateDiscussions/permalink/319004614937419/ "...I therefore opened the Discussion group where I could admit members in preparation for one on one debate.......but something happened! So called pros and antis were admitted and started chatting and found out that they actually liked each other, so apart from the odd interruption and, although open to view it was not advertised and HDH remains the main group to keep as credible as possible to achieve its purpose of giving the UK the public the opportunity to see the files. I decided to allow it to continue...A unique opportunity, not available in other groups (including HDH) where members could debate freely. Little or no rules. Just a request for common courtesy and no libel. I DO NOT have time to monitor this group and neither do my admin but I decided to offer the group availability to those that could be trusted to SELF MONITOR. I offered my TRUST in members. That can hardly be interpreted as 'controlling' or any of the other words that have been slung my way...but the REALITY disappeared and there became a PERCEPTION that I wasn't doing my 'job'! I have never asked admin to monitor this group....They visited and kept an eye at their own 'expense' of their personal life. (and YES we do have one!) However, over the last little while as much as I have given warnings and not taken any steps to remove or 'punish' anyone I have been accused of all sorts. Admin have been great and kept me informed and CHECKED with me whenever possible to see if we could allow certain posts or disruptive members. They have done a MAGNFICENT job and that is with no appreciation from anyone (except myself and other admin) . I do NOT rule with a heavy hand, and if truth be known...I rarely check this group so I have NO idea of what some of the disruptions are about...but it doesnt matter about WHAT its about....if it is causing a disruption to the group it is NOT ACCEPTABLE. Neither admin not myself have any agenda about whether anyone is a so called 'anti' or 'pro'. When it comes to eliminating and deleting posts thats the last thing on our mind. If someone is being rude and disrespectful they need to stop or leave the group. If you cant SELF MODERATE then I have said many times...you are not welcome. If you post to INSPIRE disruption (eg Announce and Flounce) then you are gone. I have no time for someone telling everyone they are leaving...its negative and attention seeking for the most part. I don't want to have to spend my time checking that members are nor firing others up with reasons why they are leaving. JUST PLEASE GO!" https://www.facebook.com/groups/HiDeHoDebateDiscussions/permalink/318726701631877/ https://www.facebook.com/groups/HiDeHoDebateDiscussions/permalink/318858374952043/ I do not expose private messages but here is my response during that time Personally I would consider I was very respectful and considerate, considering we had seen exposed comments from a secret group planning to disrupt
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Rank：Diamond Member Score：2851 Posts：2851 From：USA Register：26/01/2013 4:34 PM	Re：5. Why do you and your admins bully and boot off posters who challenge your view of the case? Date Posted：12/02/2015 6:56 PMCopy HTML Credibility is important to me and therefore I offer some proof of the lies and exaggerations in the above post. Cass Sidebotham Lizzy, we ‘have our own group’ because you removed all of the pros from your page in one fell swoop, if you remember. Things had kicked off over the absolutely unacceptable attacks coming from one of your members, against another of your members. Completely false allegations were being made left right and centre, coupled with disgusting abuse, typical of the poster in question (do not make me get my screen shots out, please). Lizzy, you were aware of this abuse, and your admin also considered it unacceptable, as they were regularly having to remove said comments from your forums, because the man in question would not let it lie. The police were called over these posts in open forum (your forum Lizzy), along with a threatening communication, sent to me directly, and contacted him. Contrary to what he would have you believe, the police contacted him because they had proof of his malicious communications, and they never returned to be to talk to me about wasting police time. Lol. When the abuse escalated to a point where it was no longer tolerable, all the pros who were upset by the abuse were removed, rather than the one person making the abusive comments… that, Lizzy, is why we have our own group. Just to be clear. (I would use a strange dancing bean icon here, if I was a total tit) You use Brian as your example of abuse, and say it had admin approval… well that’s strange, as on the screen shot you have shown two admin are telling Brian to behave himself, giving warnings. Brian was booted for his behaviour several times, and remains removed from MMDG. If we started bringing examples of where your members have abused each other, we’d be here all day. Our comment was about your admin… but thanks for drawing attention to the fact that we remove posters for their behaviour, regardless that we might agree with their views on the case. I would suggest the ethos at HdH is the exact opposite, where ‘pro’ posters are removed for their opinions and not their behaviour. If I may bring some examples: Jenny Boot, a poster many will remember, who was never abusive, and never lost her cool. She was bullied by admin, and booted for her opinions. Robin Stammers, also a fair debater, without a hint of aggression, bullied by admin, and booted for his opinions. Janet Ruth, had opinions which did not match with HdH’s view of the case, and so was bullied by admin and booted Diane Winch, renowned for her cheerful disposition, no matter what abuse is hurled at her, bullied by admin, and booted. Chere Amie, a genuine fence sitter, just interested in debating facts, and courteous to everyone, bullied by admin and booted for her opinion. Gwen James, trying to stick up for the parents against the barrage of neglect pitchforkers, bullied by admin, and booted for her opinion. Moreover, the kinds of comments your admin have been known to ‘like’ shows me you have bullies on your team, Lizzy, but that isn’t at all surprising, seeing as the sole purpose of your group is to bully the victims of a terrible crime. All of these people were booted for ‘disruption’. It begs the question ‘disruption from what?’ The answer is not disruption of the debate, as these voices were essential to debate, and all gave their views respectfully, the answer is disruption of the hate. These posters were removed because they disrupted the freeflow of hate posts creating suspicion of the McCanns, and for no other reason. After the removal of some of the names above, Lizzy even changed her rules to disallow alternative views to her own, so I don’t know how she can, with a straight face, claim that her forum is the only one which allows differences of opinion. 5 hrs · Edited · Like · 5 Helen Phillips Troll 6 hrs · Like · 1 Richard David In Lizzy's defence I wouldn't say they were all bullies until galvanised by her but some have been naturally over the years. The ones I have witnessed automatically bullying and intimidating posters who have views they dont agree with are Current admin Helen Antcliff...See More 5 hrs · Like Richard David If her group welcomed all views then there would be no need for this one or any of her other stupid hidehate branded groups 5 hrs · Like · 1 Cass Sidebotham Joy Sharman (was that her name?) from memory was a bad bully. 5 hrs · Like Richard David Yes Sharman, that's another one 5 hrs · Like · 1 Cass Sidebotham Frances and Lisa were the worst IMO, they hunted like a 2 woman pack of animals. 5 hrs · Like Richard David I have to say its much easier all round to take this q's and a's one by one like this. Gives everyone time to comments etc. Hopefully Lizzy Hideho Taylor will have the courtesy to read all the responses and comment accordingly. 5 hrs · Like · 2 Jodie Ivermee My comment was taken down a few days ago & removed &Richard David suggested my comment was to do with the McCann conspiracy.. How dare you insinuate what I feel & think..very easy 2 accuse people of being bullies when you don't agree with what is being said..truth hurts!!! 4 hrs · Like Richard David what was your comment Jodie, please refresh my memory? 4 hrs · Like Richard David was it about neglect Jodie Ivermee? Because we dont allow debate on neglect? 4 hrs · Edited · Like · 3 Richard David Was this the comment that was removed Jodie Ivermee? 4 hrs · Like · 1 Cass Sidebotham Diane Winch, this thread. 4 hrs · Like · 1 Diane Winch Ok thanks i will have a look 3 hrs · Like Richard David We don't debate neglect in this group, Jodie Ivermee, very few people here (including the mccanns) agreed what they did was right. But you have to get past neglect in order to debate the evidence in the case. Sorry but it is one of the only rules of the group and makes for better understanding and better debate of the case. 3 hrs · Like · 2 Pamela Gurney FGS get over this and move on. What Pamela's site are you referring to? Not following you here if you refer to me. 3 hrs · Edited · Like · 1 Pamela Gurney Jeez these righteous people make me seethe. Like they have never set a foot wrong in their lives. This woman needs to be made a Saint! 3 hrs · Like Richard David it is almost 8 years since madeleine disappeared the majority of us got past blaming the parents for leaving them on their own years ago. It is the only way that will allow you to view the evidence clearly and objectively. 3 hrs · Like · 1 Cass Sidebotham Which site do you mean by 'that Pamela's'? 3 hrs · Like Pamela Gurney ???????? 3 hrs · Like Diane Winch Love your thread Cass it tells it as it is 3 hrs · Like · 4 Jodie Ivermee 3 hrs · Like Pamela Gurney Not my words so where are you getting this from? 3 hrs · Like · 1 Jodie Ivermee Vile! 3 hrs · Like Pamela Gurney Jodie what are you on about? 3 hrs · Like · 1 Diane Winch I cannot see Lizzy coming on here to answer it though as she knows its the truth but i might be wrong though lol 3 hrs · Like · 2 Pamela Gurney Her comment makes no sense and her bad grammar proves those are not my words! 3 hrs · Like Richard David Jodie Ivermee please dont insult people, we have politely explained why we dont debate neglect. you are proof of this decision because you are full of hatred. 3 hrs · Like · 4 Richard David She is not drunk pam, she is just angry because we wont allow her to shout abuse at the mccanns for leaving the children the way they did. 3 hrs · Like · 5 Helen Phillips Oh dear and accusing others of being vile lol 3 hrs · Like · 2 Pamela Gurney Drunk with hate then....but why? 3 hrs · Like · 1 Fiona Ryan Jodie Ivermee, where and when were the comments posted 3 hrs · Like · 3 Rosemary Ormistone Ranting neglect comment removed. 2 hrs · Like · 4 Pamela Gurney Can you remove Hayley's too? 2 hrs · Like · 1 Helen Phillips Did you ever find out what Jodie was going on about? 2 hrs · Like · 1 Jodie Ivermee You seem to think your a cut above the rest Pamela Gurneyrunning up your mouth??? With your oh so perfect vocabulary! How dare you again? Keep judging me? Actually, Your a very opinionated person & a hypocrite, who is, very critical & analytical of the people who share & make comments on this site.. You also forget what you have written about me & how you attack other people.. you are also a backseat bully! Behind a keyboard! Unfortunately your unable to bully me! I can defend myself against people like you! Believe me I've made plenty of mistakes during my lifetime & it's through making mistakes that I am able to share my experiences & opinions with others. I have a degree & a national diploma.. Thank you kindly, & don't know who you think you are. You keep deviating from the debate & continually insult the people on this sight who comment?? I would despise nothing worse than to think That I was a saintly person, your obviously quite demonic? & a worker of iniquity! Richard David. I'm past blaming the parents! It's not about blame, it's about what's fair & what's right & what's good for one, is certainly good for the other.. You should practise what u preach.. Your obviously in agreement that there should not have been any form of punishment for the Mc Canns. Justice? This was the issue..this was the fact & the cause of the initial problem during the beginning of the case which angered so many people worldwide & parents. "Justice" for maddy. Why should others be punished, have to attend parental classes/skills be placed on, at risk registers but the mc Canns haven't. Unlike you, Madeleine is categorically classed as being dead. A dead person within British law but, fortunately for maddie, I have fought her corner & defended her because anyone with a heart would... without thinking I am being saintly of course Pamela gurney.. Your own insults & behaviour are appalling.. You don't have to find out Helen Phillips I'll tell you myself.. & for your own assumptions, I don't drink or smoke! Not drunk either! And I suppose you think your full of love Richard David? Diane Winch Cass Sidebotham 1 hr · Like Pamela Gurney OMG and lol! Not worthy of a reply sorry! 1 hr · Like Pamela Gurney You admit to not being perfect though...well done! 1 hr · Like Pamela Gurney Were you put on the risk register or something to rant the way you have done? 1 hr · Like
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Rank：Diamond Member Score：2851 Posts：2851 From：USA Register：26/01/2013 4:34 PM	Re：5. Why do you and your admins bully and boot off posters who challenge your view of the case? Date Posted：13/02/2015 11:18 AMCopy HTML Cass Sidebotham 22 hrs Lizzy HiDeHo Taylor (Date Posted:10/02/2015 6:36 PM) 5. Why do you and your admins bully and boot off posters who challenge your view of the case? May I ask WHEN have any of my admin BULLIED ANYONE? That is the most outrageous suggestion I have ever seen! All my admin DETEST bullying and would never allow it and if ANYONE can show me an example i would be more than interested. ALL of my admin are 'virtual delights' (one more than the others...lol) and we HONESTLY care about our members and are probaly the only group that tolerates differences of opinion. We WELCOME those with a different opinion BUT that does not include those who are there with the intent of disrupting. Relatively easily spotted now as we save EVERYTHING and a quick search reveals 'similarities' to former disruptors. Just because the admins appear to be taken in....NEVER take it for granted... We have our little HiDeBox that we constantly monitor all posts and should you be thinking you are going to disrupt, we will allow you for as long as we feel it's worth seeing the 'effort' and then its time to take action... We are a TEAM and our goal is to keep HDH as close to discussing FACTS as possible and allowing EVERYONE the opportunity to discuss and have links to the files provided, but we are NOT here to humour those whos sole purpose is to discredit the files. Thats why you have your own group Why would you claim that WE bully and boot off posters when I have seen the most disgusting comments on the Pond and ALL with admin approval! I should maybe also mention that this particular person is also responsible for posting personal PM comments out of context to suggest somone IS a pedophile when I saw NO SUCH EVIDENCE. Like · <input class="uiLinkButtonInput" data-ft="{"type":24,"tn":"S"}" type="button" value="Comment" style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial, 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; border: none; color: rgb(109, 132, 180); cursor: pointer; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: none; background-attachment: initial; background-size: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-position: initial; background-repeat: initial;"> · Share 2 people like this. Cass Sidebotham Lizzy, we ‘have our own group’ because you removed all of the pros from your page in one fell swoop, if you remember. Things had kicked off over the absolutely unacceptable attacks coming from one of your members, against another of your members. Compl...See More 22 hrs · Edited · Like · 5 Helen Phillips Troll 22 hrs · Like · 1 Richard David In Lizzy's defence I wouldn't say they were all bullies until galvanised by her but some have been naturally over the years. The ones I have witnessed automatically bullying and intimidating posters who have views they dont agree with are Current admin Helen Antcliff Joy Savage Liz Taylor Previous admin from memory Frances Gallagher Lisa Edington Holly Braithwaite David Steel 21 hrs · Like Richard David If her group welcomed all views then there would be no need for this one or any of her other stupid hidehate branded groups 21 hrs · Like · 1 Cass Sidebotham Joy Sharman (was that her name?) from memory was a bad bully. 21 hrs · Like Richard David Yes Sharman, that's another one 21 hrs · Like · 1 Cass Sidebotham Frances and Lisa were the worst IMO, they hunted like a 2 woman pack of animals. 21 hrs · Like Richard David I have to say its much easier all round to take this q's and a's one by one like this. Gives everyone time to comments etc. Hopefully Lizzy Hideho Taylor will have the courtesy to read all the responses and comment accordingly. 21 hrs · Like · 2 Jodie Ivermee My comment was taken down a few days ago & removed &Richard David suggested my comment was to do with the McCann conspiracy.. How dare you insinuate what I feel & think..very easy 2 accuse people of being bullies when you don't agree with what is being said..truth hurts!!! 21 hrs · Like Richard David what was your comment Jodie, please refresh my memory? 20 hrs · Like Richard David was it about neglect Jodie Ivermee? Because we dont allow debate on neglect? 20 hrs · Edited · Like · 3 Richard David Was this the comment that was removed Jodie Ivermee? 20 hrs · Like · 1 Cass Sidebotham Diane Winch, this thread. 20 hrs · Like · 1 Diane Winch Ok thanks i will have a look 20 hrs · Like · 1 Richard David We don't debate neglect in this group, Jodie Ivermee, very few people here (including the mccanns) agreed what they did was right. But you have to get past neglect in order to debate the evidence in the case. Sorry but it is one of the only rules of the group and makes for better understanding and better debate of the case. 20 hrs · Like · 3 Pamela Gurney FGS get over this and move on. What Pamela's site are you referring to? Not following you here if you refer to me. 20 hrs · Edited · Like · 1 Pamela Gurney Jeez these righteous people make me seethe. Like they have never set a foot wrong in their lives. This woman needs to be made a Saint! 20 hrs · Like Richard David it is almost 8 years since madeleine disappeared the majority of us got past blaming the parents for leaving them on their own years ago. It is the only way that will allow you to view the evidence clearly and objectively. 20 hrs · Like · 1 Cass Sidebotham Which site do you mean by 'that Pamela's'? 20 hrs · Like Pamela Gurney ???????? 20 hrs · Like Diane Winch Love your thread Cass it tells it as it is 20 hrs · Like · 4 Jodie Ivermee 20 hrs · Like Pamela Gurney Not my words so where are you getting this from? 20 hrs · Like · 1 Jodie Ivermee Vile! 20 hrs · Like Pamela Gurney Jodie what are you on about? 20 hrs · Like · 1 Diane Winch I cannot see Lizzy coming on here to answer it though as she knows its the truth but i might be wrong though lol 20 hrs · Like · 2 Pamela Gurney Her comment makes no sense and her bad grammar proves those are not my words! 20 hrs · Like Richard David Jodie Ivermee please dont insult people, we have politely explained why we dont debate neglect. you are proof of this decision because you are full of hatred. 19 hrs · Like · 4 Richard David She is not drunk pam, she is just angry because we wont allow her to shout abuse at the mccanns for leaving the children the way they did. 19 hrs · Like · 5 Helen Phillips Oh dear and accusing others of being vile lol 19 hrs · Like · 2 Pamela Gurney Drunk with hate then....but why? 19 hrs · Like · 1 Fiona Ryan Jodie Ivermee, where and when were the comments posted 19 hrs · Like · 3 Rosemary Ormistone Ranting neglect comment removed. 18 hrs · Like · 5 Pamela Gurney Can you remove Hayley's too? 18 hrs · Like · 1 Helen Phillips Did you ever find out what Jodie was going on about? 18 hrs · Like · 1 Pamela Gurney OMG and lol! Not worthy of a reply sorry! 17 hrs · Like Pamela Gurney You admit to not being perfect though...well done! 17 hrs · Like Pamela Gurney Were you put on the risk register or something to rant the way you have done? 17 hrs · Like Pamela Gurney Madeleine has not been classed as dead either. What an odd thing to say! 17 hrs · Like Helen Phillips I meant of what you're accusing Pam of.I would like to know what you're going on about with that,I wasn't wanting another rant. 17 hrs · Like · 1 Pamela Gurney Would be good to know why I am a bully in this woman's eyes?? 17 hrs · Like · 1 Rosemary Ormistone Ranting comment removed. 15 hrs · Like · 5 Cass Sidebotham Lizzy Hideho Taylor 10 hrs · Like <input class="_1osa mentionsHidden" name="add_comment_text" tabindex="-1" data-reactid=".17.1:4.0.$right.0.0.0.0.0" data-ovi-hasaddedvoiceinputfunction="true" x-webkit-speech="" speech="" lang="en-US" style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial, 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; left: -99999px; opacity: 0; position: absolute;"> Write a comment... <input type="file" accept="image/*" class="_n" name="file" title="Attach a Photo" aria-label="Attach a Photo" style="font-family: Helvetica, Arial, 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 1000px !important; bottom: 0px; cursor: inherit; height: 300px; margin: 0px; opacity: 0; padding: 0px; position: absolute; right: 0px;">
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Rank：Diamond Member Score：2851 Posts：2851 From：USA Register：26/01/2013 4:34 PM	Re：5. Why do you and your admins bully and boot off posters who challenge your view of the case? Date Posted：13/02/2015 11:35 AMCopy HTML Jodie Ivermee My comment was taken down a few days ago & removed &Richard David suggested my comment was to do with the McCann conspiracy.. How dare you insinuate what I feel & think..very easy 2 accuse people of being bullies when you don't agree with what is being said..truth hurts!!! 4 hrs · Like Richard David what was your comment Jodie, please refresh my memory? 4 hrs · Like Richard David was it about neglect Jodie Ivermee? Because we dont allow debate on neglect? 4 hrs · Edited · Like · 3 Richard David Was this the comment that was removed Jodie Ivermee? 4 hrs · Like · 1 Cass Sidebotham Diane Winch, this thread. 4 hrs · Like · 1 Diane Winch Ok thanks i will have a look 3 hrs · Like Richard David We don't debate neglect in this group, Jodie Ivermee, very few people here (including the mccanns) agreed what they did was right. But you have to get past neglect in order to debate the evidence in the case. Sorry but it is one of the only rules of the group and makes for better understanding and better debate of the case. 3 hrs · Like · 2 Pamela Gurney FGS get over this and move on. What Pamela's site are you referring to? Not following you here if you refer to me. 3 hrs · Edited · Like · 1
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Rank：Diamond Member Score：2851 Posts：2851 From：USA Register：26/01/2013 4:34 PM	Re：5. Why do you and your admins bully and boot off posters who challenge your view of the case? Date Posted：16/02/2015 12:27 PMCopy HTML bump

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