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4. Why did you make up your mind before the PJ Files were released?

I made up my mind?

Who said that?

Like anyone else I followed the case and was able to see the details that were emerging and along with brain power and intelligence I started to put together the details of the case from what I believe were very reliable sources.

For those that have only recently come to the case, you may not be aware that many of the forums at the time were scrutinising and discussing 'known' details. Mirror Forum, Digital Spy, Websleuths etc

At that time there were, understandably, some myths created but we had 'sentinal'  'sans souci'  to put us straight..along with many other members that refused to believe the possibility they may have been complicit or had the penchant for being 'devils advocate' and were consistently disrupting threads usually, only for the reason that they could.

We have members that were originally supporters of the McCanns and gave money to the fund.  Some of them participated in the efforts to disrupt the forums, encouraged by the McCanns...

They know EXACTLY what the efforts were to try to stop the truth from being discussed.

However, we had the Portuguese press and the Sol Articles were available and proven to be based on the facts from the files that were released some time later...


http://msngroup.aimoo.com/madeleinemccann/newspapers.msnw-action=get_message&mview=0&ID_Message=26&LastModified=4675665103609782096.htm

Here is one example....


SOL  AUGUST 11 
After collecting all the elements, and crossing information from various sources, SOL?s investigation makes a reconstitution of the night that Maddie disappeared. 

6 p.m. The McCanns pick their children up at the Ocean Club?s creche. 
7.30 Madeleine and the twins go to bed. 
8.30 Gerry and Kate arrive at the Tapas restaurant. 
8.45 Russell, Matthew and Rachel Oldfield go to the restaurant. 
8.55 David and Fiona Payne also arrive at the Tapas. According to David, all the elements of the group were already there. But Rachel assures that Matthew arrived two or three minutes after the Paynes. 
9.00 Matthew went to check on the children. 
9.05 Gerry left the Tapas to check on his children. When he is returning to the dinner, he meets Jeremy Wilkins ? an english man he met during the holidays ? and chats with him for ten minutes. Neither Gerry nor Jeremy notice Jane or the suspicious man that she says she saw, although they were all on the same narrow street at the same time. 
9.10 Jane went to check on her children and notices a man walking hastily, carrying a child. She memorizes the suspect, but fails to recognize Maddie. 
9.25 Gerry returns to Tapas. Russell told PJ that at this time Matt and he went to check the children. 
9.30 Matthew goes into Madeleine?s apartment. Russell O?Brien leaves the restaurant at the same time. In the first statements, Matt does not refer anything strange in Madeleine?s room and Russell fails to explain that he stayed in his apartment because his younger daughter was feeling sick. Later, Matt said that he noticed more light in the McCanns? apartment and Russell revealed his daughter was vomiting. 
9.35 Matthew Oldfield returned to Tapas. 
9.45 Jane Tanner says at this time ? not at 9.30 ? Matthew and Russell left the restaurant. 
9.55 Russell returns to the restaurant. 
10.00 Jane goes to the apartment and notices her daughter has disappeared. She goes back to Tapas and raises the alarm. Everybody leaves the restaurant, except Dianne Webster. 
10.05 Dianne Webster goes into Maddie?s room. The twins are sleeping. 
22.15 Dianne returns to Tapas, to pick up her purse and her camera. 

Reading the Sol Articles , the information is very similar to what we have since read in the files, although they were printed almost a year before.

Facebook groups only cover a very small portion of the details from the investigation.  Many threads in the forums were thousands of pages long.  Media interviews and quotes were also available for scrutiny.

Very easy to start to form opinions, long before the files were released

The files just confirmed the details that were already known.


Why would anyone not have opinions formed when the details of the investigation were already available and scrutined to the 'nth' degree on the major forums?

Are you aware of all the information BEFORE the files were released including the SOL articles?
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Re:4. Why did you make up your mind before the PJ Files were released?

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Re:4. Why did you make up your mind before the PJ Files were released?

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Date Posted:10/02/2015 6:35 PM)

4. Why did you make up your mind before the PJ Files were released?

I made up my mind?

Who said that?

Like anyone else I followed the case and was able to see the details that were emerging and along with brain power and intelligence I started to put together the details of the case from what I believe were very reliable sources.

For those that have only recently come to the case, you may not be aware that many of the forums at the time were scrutinising and discussing 'known' details. Mirror Forum, Digital Spy, Websleuths etc

At that time there were, understandably, some myths created but we had 'sentinal' 'sans souci' to put us straight..along with many other members that refused to believe the possibility they may have been complicit or had the penchant for being 'devils advocate' and were consistently disrupting threads usually, only for the reason that they could.

We have members that were originally supporters of the McCanns and gave money to the fund. Some of them participated in the efforts to disrupt the forums, encouraged by the McCanns...

They know EXACTLY what the efforts were to try to stop the truth from being discussed.

However, we had the Portuguese press and the Sol Articles were available and proven to be based on the facts from the files that were released some time later...

http://msngroup.aimoo.com/…/newspapers.msnw-action=get_mess…

Here is one example....

SOL AUGUST 11 
After collecting all the elements, and crossing information from various sources, SOL?s investigation makes a reconstitution of the night that Maddie disappeared.

6 p.m. The McCanns pick their children up at the Ocean Club?s creche. 
7.30 Madeleine and the twins go to bed. 
8.30 Gerry and Kate arrive at the Tapas restaurant. 
8.45 Russell, Matthew and Rachel Oldfield go to the restaurant. 
8.55 David and Fiona Payne also arrive at the Tapas. According to David, all the elements of the group were already there. But Rachel assures that Matthew arrived two or three minutes after the Paynes. 
9.00 Matthew went to check on the children. 
9.05 Gerry left the Tapas to check on his children. When he is returning to the dinner, he meets Jeremy Wilkins ? an english man he met during the holidays ? and chats with him for ten minutes. Neither Gerry nor Jeremy notice Jane or the suspicious man that she says she saw, although they were all on the same narrow street at the same time. 
9.10 Jane went to check on her children and notices a man walking hastily, carrying a child. She memorizes the suspect, but fails to recognize Maddie. 
9.25 Gerry returns to Tapas. Russell told PJ that at this time Matt and he went to check the children. 
9.30 Matthew goes into Madeleine?s apartment. Russell O?Brien leaves the restaurant at the same time. In the first statements, Matt does not refer anything strange in Madeleine?s room and Russell fails to explain that he stayed in his apartment because his younger daughter was feeling sick. Later, Matt said that he noticed more light in the McCanns? apartment and Russell revealed his daughter was vomiting. 
9.35 Matthew Oldfield returned to Tapas. 
9.45 Jane Tanner says at this time ? not at 9.30 ? Matthew and Russell left the restaurant. 
9.55 Russell returns to the restaurant. 
10.00 Jane goes to the apartment and notices her daughter has disappeared. She goes back to Tapas and raises the alarm. Everybody leaves the restaurant, except Dianne Webster. 
10.05 Dianne Webster goes into Maddie?s room. The twins are sleeping. 
22.15 Dianne returns to Tapas, to pick up her purse and her camera.

Reading the Sol Articles , the information is very similar to what we have since read in the files, although they were printed almost a year before.

Facebook groups only cover a very small portion of the details from the investigation. Many threads in the forums were thousands of pages long. Media interviews and quotes were also available for scrutiny.

Very easy to start to form opinions, long before the files were released

The files just confirmed the details that were already known.

Why would anyone not have opinions formed when the details of the investigation were already available and scrutined to the 'nth' degree on the major forums?

Are you aware of all the information BEFORE the files were released including the SOL articles?

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  • Cass Sidebotham I reproduce your answer here for our members to have a good laugh. I don't know what to say about this one, I really don't. I might try to come back to it. If you can't see how crazy you sound, then I am afraid this whole exercise might be worthless.
  • Cass Sidebotham Just read it and try and take it all in. lol
  • Cass Sidebotham I think I might pin this post.
  • Emma Pink To look at this case with intelligence you can see that its not complete and a large portion of the investigation has not been released to the public . To only look for inconsistencys in the McCanns family and friends suggests that you are indeed not looking at the case intelligently .
  • Cass Sidebotham she is pointing out that she has been trolling this family from the word go. all these online forums that she thinks are ever so important.... of course I was aware of all this stuff. this is what I am researching, the history of this smear. Lizzy doesn't realise what she has done with this post, but it is a great resource for quotes. very pleased.
  • Pamela Gurney Fgs Jane saw Tannerman walking across the top of the street Gerry & Jez were stood on having a chat. Jane was walking towards rge top of the street, the lighting was amber....why would Gerry or Jez see the man?
  • Pamela Gurney Sorry am poorly and in bed & using drafted tablet......excuse errors!
    23 hrs · Like · 1
  • Cass Sidebotham is this on the right thread?
    23 hrs · Like · 1
  • Pamela Gurney When all this comes to a head, as surely it will do, does Lizzy not realise her name is going to be splashed across Canadian newspapers as she is named and shamed for her disgraceful campaign of hate towards this tragic family? Does Lizzy have to take...See More
    23 hrs · Like · 1
  • Pamela Gurney Sorry Cass I am not in full control of my tablet so may have posted about Tannerman on the wrong thread.
  • Richard David At least this answer from Lizzy gives us an insight into the mind of a twisted old woman. It is beyond belief 
    21 hrs · Like · 1
  • Cass Sidebotham so revealing
  • Pamela Gurney I will never understand Lizzy if I live to be 100. Just what drives her on or is it somebody driving her on?
  • Cass Sidebotham she is clearly lost in her fantasy world.
    21 hrs · Like · 1
  • Kelly Louise Cozens I have followed the case since May 4th 2007 when we first heard about it on gmtv I have seen nearly every news article every newspaper article the files the details emerging etc etc still hasn't made me an anti and from.that day to this I believe there innocent so that's not really an answer
    19 hrs · Like · 1
  • Pamela Gurney It hasn't made most people antis, thank God above. They are still largely a minority group.
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