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Rank：Diamond Member Score：2851 Posts：2851 From：USA Register：26/01/2013 4:34 PM	Date Posted：11/02/2015 12:32 AMCopy HTML 3. Why do you allow posters proved to have paedophilic thoughts to infiltrate and influence your group?... I am not aware of anyone in the group that has been proven to have those thoughts. I have seen comments that may very well be out of context or a retalliatory comment emanating from comments that may exist prior to the 'start' of the personal and confidential 'conversation' I do however view private PMs made public as totally disrespectful and unacceptable. Infiltrate? Influence? I have seen nothing on HDH to suggest any topic about paedophilia has been discussed, never mind influenced. Admin remove threads of that nature, with the exception of file based discussions such as the Gaspar Statements We have no evidence of anyone being a paedophile in the group. Mentioning possible links to paedophilia based on what is known about the case should not mean someone is branded a paedophile. After all it was the McCanns themselves who first raised the issue of Paedophilia. However I have seen the Pond make several references to paedophilia. I have been 'likened' to Jimmy Savile...lol and have been accuse of harbouring Paedophiles which is a totally disgusting comment and not worthy of response. Obsession comes to mind... I do not check into the backgrounds of my members. Their behaviour in the group is the deciding factor as to whether they remain. I have been known to allow 'axe murderers' into HDH as long as they have friends in the group and as long as they behave themselves....Unfortunately this one only lasted a matter of minutes...Maybe I should have checked his wall, but I did not have time to check,l or I would have noticed the pic of his toilet...AFTER...lol My admin do not allow me near the 'Welcomes' any longer... (Only using this as an example, sadly he was very disturbed) May I ask why you appear to have this obsession with accusing members of HDH as being paedophiles? Do you have the proof? If so, maybe the POLICE are who to contact?
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Rank：Diamond Member Score：2851 Posts：2851 From：USA Register：26/01/2013 4:34 PM	Re：3. Why do you allow posters proved to have paedophilic thoughts to infiltrate and influence your gro Date Posted：12/02/2015 10:58 PMCopy HTML Cass Sidebotham 13 hrs Lizzy HiDeHo Taylor (Date Posted:10/02/2015 6:32 PM) 3. Why do you allow posters proved to have paedophilic thoughts to infiltrate and influence your group?... I am not aware of anyone in the group that has been proven to have those thoughts. I have seen comments that may very well be out of context or a retalliatory comment emanating from comments that may exist prior to the 'start' of the personal and confidential 'conversation' I do however view private PMs made public as totally disrespectful and unacceptable. Infiltrate? Influence? I have seen nothing on HDH to suggest any topic about paedophilia has been discussed, never mind influenced. Admin remove threads of that nature, with the exception of file based discussions such as the Gaspar Statements We have no evidence of anyone being a paedophile in the group. Mentioning possible links to paedophilia based on what is known about the case should not mean someone is branded a paedophile. After all it was the McCanns themselves who first raised the issue of Paedophilia. However I have seen the Pond make several references to paedophilia. I have been 'likened' to Jimmy Savile...lol and have been accuse of harbouring Paedophiles which is a totally disgusting comment and not worthy of response. Obsession comes to mind... I do not check into the backgrounds of my members. Their behaviour in the group is the deciding factor as to whether they remain. I have been known to allow 'axe murderers' into HDH as long as they have friends in the group and as long as they behave themselves....Unfortunately this one only lasted a matter of minutes...Maybe I should have checked his wall, but I did not have time to check,l or I would have noticed the pic of his toilet...AFTER...lol My admin do not allow me near the 'Welcomes' any longer... (Only using this as an example, sadly he was very disturbed) May I ask why you appear to have this obsession with accusing members of HDH as being paedophiles? Do you have the proof? If so, maybe the POLICE are who to contact? 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You have answered as if the question was ‘why are there paedophile...See More 13 hrs · Edited · Like · 2 Richard David For avoidance of doubt this is the vile creature who has posted those things 13 hrs · Edited · Like Cass Sidebotham For the avoidance of doubt, Richard means the VC with the non charity moustache. 13 hrs · Like · 1 Doris Gajcy Omg i feel utterly sick.. These....So called people are discusting & the police really need to be looking into their computers.... 13 hrs · Like · 6 Doris Gajcy What the woman did this..... 13 hrs · Like · 1 Cass Sidebotham I agree, Doris. To make comments like this, you have to have images in your head that normal people just don't bring to the debate. it is one thing posting that David Payne might be a paedophile because of the Gaspar statements, but it is quite another...See More 13 hrs · Like · 3 Cass Sidebotham no, Doris, it was the man. the woman has posted some horrible stuff herself though 12 hrs · Like · 2 Helen Phillips Disgusting bastar@ he needs looking into,his thoughts are not normal and she's as bad. 12 hrs · Like · 3 Doris Gajcy Who are they.... Yes Helen Phillips no normal minded person would have thoughts like that... I worry for my children... 12 hrs · Like · 4 Cass Sidebotham The man is a troll. the woman is one of his forum admins. 9 hrs · Edited · Like · 2 Doris Gajcy Ahhh.... Glad I've not came across anything like that.... Or am I just being nieve... 12 hrs · Like · 2 Richard David The woman has a young child and this man has a tracked record of befriending mothers of young children via these groups 12 hrs · Like · 2 Cass Sidebotham to be honest, he went arounf deleting a lot of his own comments after the dossier. but they were mostly comments attacking Kate and Gerry... if you search his name on any of Lizzy's HiDeHo forums, 'Chris Roberts' or 'David Kemp', you will find comments like the above. Lizzy condones all this. its crazy. 12 hrs · Like · 2 Karen Miller Those comments are sickening!......dirty disgusting perverted old man!! 12 hrs · Like · 2 Doris Gajcy & who is lizzy seen comments abt her before on here but don't know what she does... Think I watched a link for a YouTube abt mm & the book the police man wrote but that was a while ago.. 12 hrs · Like Karen Miller The woman is also lacking slightly.....he probably sees her as easy prey 12 hrs · Like Doris Gajcy Richard Davidthe more I've read on here makes very warey.... & she herself has a child...That's scary... & really sad cos everything that's put on the net stays... So her child could one day come across her vile comments along with her scum friends 12 hrs · Like · 4 Cass Sidebotham the worst one I ever remember was ages ago, on HiDeHos. The thread was discussing if Madeleine may have been sedated and Roberts said something like; (and I apologise for repeating this) 'no, Uncle David preferred them with their eyes open when he was...See More 12 hrs · Edited · Like · 1 Helen Phillips Oh my god !!!! 12 hrs · Like · 2 Doris Gajcy I'm truly shocked that's the most frightening thing I've read... Dont think I will go looking @ her page... 12 hrs · Like · 2 Karen Miller It is shocking that she apparently sees nothing wrong in it 12 hrs · Like · 1 Leanne Byrne And nor do all these other women....shocking! 12 hrs · Like · 1 Andrea Clyndes Such comments should be taken down immediately and the poster given a clear warning. If they post such things again the should be removed from the groups. TBH I don't know why FB doesn't remove them. 11 hrs · Like · 3 Cass Sidebotham the comment about DP wanting to 'do' Madeleine with her eyes open actually made me feel sick, as it still does today. I will never get that out of my head. 11 hrs · Like · 2 Andrea Clyndes It's gratuitous. 11 hrs · Like · 3 Andrea Clyndes And I think you are right when you say that the poster is getting a kick from posting such comments. 11 hrs · Like · 3 Cass Sidebotham that's exactly the word. this isn't just debating the gaspar statements, that's what we all did last night. this is tittilation. 11 hrs · Like · 2 Cass Sidebotham Lizzy has based her whole answer around Roberts' comments to Brian about how 'tight' his 5 year old daughter was, and whether he wanted to 'be first' like Fred West, which are disgusting enough, but not that much to do with my question. There is more...See More 11 hrs · Edited · Like · 1 Andrea Clyndes Yes. To debate whether or not a conversation has taken place is different from creating explicit images for others. 11 hrs · Like · 2 Cass Sidebotham bingo, expressed beautifully. 11 hrs · Like · 2 Cass Sidebotham It comes back to what Fiona was saying about possible networks, in my mind... 11 hrs · Like · 3 Andrea Clyndes Making a PM public is not as disrespectful as speaking of an innocent child in such ugly terms. It's a bit like complaining that your drink has tipped over when someone points out that the ship is sinking. 11 hrs · Edited · Like · 3 Andrea Clyndes Yes. They have to suss out contacts somehow. That's how they form rings. 11 hrs · Like · 4 Cass Sidebotham The fact that admin allow the comments to remain would make them enablers of such a ring, if it existed. 11 hrs · Like · 4 Andrea Clyndes I agree. That they allow such comments to remain destroys the group's credibility. 11 hrs · Like · 3 Leanne Byrne Yes they are providing a platform for it, very worrying if you ask me. 11 hrs · Like · 4 Cass Sidebotham well I hope Lizzy Hideho Taylor reads and digests this thread, and maybe she will come back and answer the question I actually asked. 11 hrs · Like · 3 Andrea Clyndes It's impossible to police people's thoughts. But once they have expressed them on a public group, it is simple for admin to decide whether they want to host those comments. Are they afraid of Chris Roberts? 10 hrs · Like · 4 Pamela Gurney Maybe that's it. He has threatened me more than a time or two/ I think he is in need of psychiatric help tbh. No person in their right mind acts like he does. 10 hrs · Like · 3 Pamela Gurney Richard David I have to ask where you got that pic of Roberts and who is the woman with him? 10 hrs · Like · 1 Richard David Tracey Hall is the woman and she posted it in his group after their meeting yesterday 10 hrs · Like · 2 Pamela Gurney Yuck! 10 hrs · Like · 3 Andrea Clyndes Yuck indeed! 10 hrs · Like · 1 Pamela Gurney Gives me the creeps 10 hrs · Like · 1 Richard David She is just one in a long line of mothers with young children that he has befriended through the groups, what is revealing is that none of the previous ones have anything to do with him anymore. I wonder what Tracey's husband said when she said she was bringing home this creepy old man she met on the internet discussing the case of a missing child ..... 10 hrs · Like · 4 Pamela Gurney Mind boggles tbh! He tried befriending me and offering me help once!!!!!!!!!! 10 hrs · Like · 3 Cass Sidebotham was interesting what he said to you, Pam. he said he lived in morocco, so he could let you know the best places where children might be trafficked. now to me, that is a weird comment to make. I have lived in UK all my life, but would have no idea where the most likely places for trafficked children would be.... what was he DOING in Morocco? 10 hrs · Like · 4 Pamela Gurney I really don't know what he was doing in Morocco except it involved guns at one time! he said Madeleine would not be in Marrakesh and agreed with me the mountainous region would be most likely and that he would give me any advice I needed. He mentioned various towns that were a possibility and he also told me where the wealthy houses would be. 9 hrs · Like · 1 Pamela Gurney I think he even offered to go to Morocco with me. 9 hrs · Like · 1 Cass Sidebotham to show you where the children are trafficked? lol I see. 9 hrs · Like Pamela Gurney Well to try and find Madeleine I suppose but he knows how difficult that would be and we'd have ended up with slit throats. It needs someone like the SAS or SBS to go in and find her or some retired Gurkha soldiers. 9 hrs · Edited · Like Fiona Ryan Just reading back over those comments has given me the shivers, PIE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paedophile_Information_Exchangewas closed down, and these pervs had to go underground, they didn't go away, they just went underground, now you have the internet and facebook, all it takes is someone to make lewd comments about children, then to see who likes the posts, bingo, you have just found someone who see's and thinks the way you do, they are very clever and are predators, a lot would like to think that they are some kind of alpha males, who are allways in control, that women and children from their packs are for the taking. they have to network secretly, but they do it publicly under a guise... The signs are there if you know what to look for, and putting graphical content about a child would be a big alarm bell ringer as far as I am concerned... During the whole debate in our group not one person made a graphic comment, because we all think alike even when our views are different, if one of the above comments were posted here last night, all hell would have broken lose. Those kind of people watch and learn, they pick up quicky where it is safe for them to hunt. Paedophile Information Exchange - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE) was a British pro-paedophilia activist group, founded in October 1974 and officially disbanded in 1984.[1] EN.WIKIPEDIA.ORG 9 hrs · Like · 1 Fiona Ryan https://spotlightonabuse.files.wordpress.com/.../mirror24... SPOTLIGHTONABUSE.FILES.WORDPRESS.COM 9 hrs · Like Fiona Ryan http://ukpaedos-exposed.com/.../the-civil-servant.../p-i-e/ 8 hrs · Like Pamela Gurney Bloody sick. Is our society becoming sicker and more perverse by the day? It certainly seems that way. 8 hrs · Like · 1 Doris Gajcy I thinks it has always been this way Pamela Gurney it's just with the Internet & social media mobile phones it's becoming more publicised & some before would prefer not to see it or it not to be made so public... 7 hrs · Like · 3 Pamela Gurney Possibly but it is really disturbing to see this so openly now. 7 hrs · Like · 3 Doris Gajcy Most definitely it is & to see these getting away with it is even worse... But also a lot have been caught thanks to the Internet.. Sadly not enough of tthre though 7 hrs · Like · 2 Andrea Clyndes It's always been this way, Pam. Child brothers dur 6 hrs · Like · 1 Andrea Clyndes During the Victorian era were an open secret. 6 hrs · Like · 1 Fiona Ryan Some people dont want to see it, would prefer to be in denial, but it is a sometimes horrible world we live in, these peoples computers should be confiscated, it should be illegal to make crewed and disgusting remarks about children, at the very least, they should be keeping a close eye on said individuals 6 hrs · Like · 1 Andrea Clyndes ** brothels not brothers. 6 hrs · Like · 1 Fiona Ryan I didn't know that Andrea, dirty, sick, disgusting individuals.. My stomache churns at the thought's of these people breathing the same air as our children. 6 hrs · Like · 1 Doris Gajcy I'm just remembering a few things from my childhood I'm 47 so going back to early 70's My mum was single & we lived near a pub which she used to go to & drag me along leaving me outside while she was inside I remember all these men sitting on the wall picking me up & taking turns to swing abt now I don't know what could have happened if she didn't come out when she did .. But I know I felt very uncomfortable & scared.. But she told me not to be stupid.. Didn't know any of the men either 6 hrs · Edited · Like · HiDeHo	Share to: #4
Rank：Diamond Member Score：2851 Posts：2851 From：USA Register：26/01/2013 4:34 PM	Re：3. Why do you allow posters proved to have paedophilic thoughts to infiltrate and influence your gro Date Posted：13/02/2015 11:00 AMCopy HTML Andrea Clyndes The age of consent was only moved to sixteen not so many years ago, Fiona. Before that it was quite low. In fact laws protecting children only really came in the twentieth century. Before that there were no laws except regarding incest . 18 hrs · Like · 1 Karen Miller I believe the age of consent in UK has been 16 since 1885.......I remember reading about it sometime ago. 18 hrs · Like · 1 Pamela Gurney I am sorry your Mum was so concerned with having a drink and a social life she would lead you vulnerable Doris. 18 hrs · Like · 1 Doris Gajcy Ahh well made me a better parent in the long run as have had 4 children with my then husband of 20yrs.. Now have a 5th child with my partner of 5 yrs never palmed them off here or there looked after the children I had & never expected anyone else to 18 hrs · Like · 3 Andrea Clyndes Yes, you're right, Karen. Campaigners fought for it to protect girls from child prostitution....See More 17 hrs · Like · 3 Pamela Gurney Many learn along life's way Doris. You would never do what your mother did and that is right. Kate & gerry didn't leave the children outside of the apartment to come to harm but felt they were safe in bed, all tucked up. They were wrong but only bec...See More 17 hrs · Like Pamela Gurney And that is how it is in Morocco now. Portugal had many parents selling their own children in more modern times. It is a different world and children are a commodity in many countries today. We find it hard to believe but it is a fact. In the middle east the peasant parents are known to break children's limbs so badly that they are rendered invalids for life, purely so they can be put on the streets to beg. 17 hrs · Like Doris Gajcy It's truly sad I cannot imagine their pain & the guilt they will feel for a bad choice that has gone on to cause so much pain for them & their families as parentds most try to make your right choices none of us are free from mistakes we have made & the...See More 17 hrs · Like · 2 Pamela Gurney Doris I do agree with you. I keep saying none of us is perfect. So many live with having made tragic decisions and live with it forevermore. Most are not vilified like the McCanns are. 17 hrs · Like · 1 Doris Gajcy To have the most trumatic thing to happen to you be judged by people who know nothing & scum who think up the vilest things to say abt you must be absolutely soul destroying..These people sit in thier rooms feeling crap abt their own sad little lives &...See More 17 hrs · Like · 3 Pamela Gurney I find it hard to imagine these people are happy go lucky kinds, rather they dwell and thrive on tragedy and hurting others. They should look at themselves to see what is wrong within their own sad lives. I have never known anything as cruel as this and never want to again. 17 hrs · Like · 1 David Steel I also disagree with having the 'neglect' aspect as a main talking point within the group, but because of different reasons to many: 12 hrs · Like · 1 Cass Sidebotham Because you choose to make liars and accomplices out of witnesses in a bid to suggest the neglect never occurred? 12 hrs · Like · 2 David Steel well I was going to explain my reasoning ... but perhaps I shouldn't bother 12 hrs · Like · 1 Cass Sidebotham Why not bother? 12 hrs · Like David Steel I was about to explain my reasoning but I was interupted. 12 hrs · Like · 1 Pamela Gurney Are you a Freemason David? 12 hrs · Edited · Like · 1 David Steel sighs 12 hrs · Like David Steel No point is there ... G' night 12 hrs · Like Pamela Gurney ?????????????????? 12 hrs · Like Cass Sidebotham Lizzy Hideho Taylor 10 hrs · Like Andrea Clyndes I'd like to hear your reasons, David. 3 hrs · Like · 3 Richard David Perhaps we should add 'no sulking' to the group rules 3 hrs · Like · 2 Andrea Clyndes I like to read as many view points as possible. That's why, even though I am only a member of this group, I read all the other open groups. I haven't joined them for various reasons, one being that I don't feel I have anything to add to them. But I'm certainly interested in their opinions. Weird as some of them might be. Like the one that Madeleine never existed! Err I think her grandparents and playgroup, to name just two, would have noticed that. 2 hrs · Like · 2 Pamela Gurney I get enraged at the pure and unadulterated libel and smears. My blood actually boils and I would like facebook to take more responsibility NOW! 2 hrs · Like · 1 Karen Miller Sometimes it's best just to laugh at their stupidity Pam 1 hr · Like · 1 Pamela Gurney I guess so and sometimes I do but then I take stock and think "hey this is people's lives you lot are messing with and accusing them of paedophiolia/murder and all manner of evil stuff". They made a dreadful misjudgement on the children's safety...they have not killed deliberately or accidentally their child. 1 hr · Like · 1 Pamela Gurney Just too bloody easy to witch hunt and finger point on the internet and it is not on! 1 hr · Like David Steel I agree that the 'neglect' factor is pretty pointless in debate because of the following reason: there is no proof of neglect to the extent we are lead to believe. The only account of the 'neglect' comes from the Tapas 9 themselves. The T9 have proved to be more than inconsistent on various aspects and on that basis I do not take their version of neglect as concrete proof. Why would Team McCann want to push a 'neglect' version you may ask? .. Simple, 'neglect' enables the 'abduction' theory. No neglect = No abduction. Yes, using neglect is bad, but what if 'neglect' is 100x better than the 'real' reason(s). The gullible masses have jumped on and accepted the 'neglect' aspect that Team McCann have actually promoted; that Team McCann WANT you to believe; that only Team McCann know if its true or not. My 2 cents. 1 hr · Like · 1 Gwen James I thought you were not interested in pro/anti or daft teams Davd.. 1 hr · Like · 2 David Steel Gwen James that is correct, I'm not. When I refer to 'Team McCann' I refer to the McCann family their friends; their legal teams; their spokespersons etc - not internet gangs. Hope that clarifies my view. 1 hr · Like · 2 Richard David Jeremy Wilkins was aware the children were being left 2 days before madeleine disappeared and Kate claims that it was written in the Tapas reservations book which could easily be verifiable by the police in the investigation. No neglect theory would mean all children in one apartment being lookafter by one parent. There is no evidence of the children being transferred back to their own beds yet there is plenty of evidence of the parents leaving the table to check on their children. 1 hr · Like · 4 Gwen James What is clear is there is split camp within the conspiracy theory on whether the children were even left at all 1 hr · Like · 1 Richard David There is no evidence of the McCanns not operating a listening service but plenty of evidence to suggest that they were. After all if they weren't operating there own listening service then there was no need to eat in the same place every night, they could have gone further a field. 1 hr · Edited · Like · 1 David Steel Richard David I think that is a reasonable comment. Clarification is required. Whether we ever get definitive proof of 'neglect' aspect, we may never know. Therefore, that's why at this stage I stand by my view on the 'neglect' aspect. 1 hr · Like Gwen James Within the range of a baby monitor can hardly constitute neglect in my view 1 hr · Edited · Like · 1 Pamela Gurney That was Payne's monitor. They thought to take one & it's a pity they all hadn't when the were told the listening service was no longer provided. 1 hr · Like Karen Miller Who was watching kids if you don't believe they were left alone? 1 hr · Like David Steel I agree with the admin that the 'neglect' aspect is pointless in debate on this forum, but I agree for different reasons to the admin here - hope this makes sense 1 hr · Like · 1 David Steel Speak laters. Hope you all have a romantic, loving, caring weekend ... with Champagne & stuff. 1 hr · Like · 3 Pamela Gurney You have mellowed over the past year David. Good to see. 1 hr · Edited · Like David Steel Pamela Gurney you can get caught up in emotional discharge online. I've learned its pointless to get in such a state - Brenda Leyland was a wake up call. That thing should have never happened neither should have the doorstepping of Kate McCann. I also realise we are in 'End Game' and calm is needed. 1 hr · Like · 3 Andrea Clyndes Thank you for sharing your thoughts, David. Very interesting. Something else for me to contemplate whilst I potter about today. 1 hr · Like · 2 Gwen James What about all the staff statements David? none of them speak of anything happening behind the scenes but some do describle strangers lurking around the apartment (not from team mccann I hope) 1 hr · Edited · Like · 1 David Steel Andrea Clyndes thank you. My thoughts are entirely my opinion - does not make me right or wrong. I am glad my thoughts are accepted on this group without me receiving the boot (unlike other groups) 1 hr · Like Gwen James The difference is you are giving alternative views without emotional attatchment to the parents. 1 hr · Like · 1 Pamela Gurney David I lost battery power but was half way through saying that I am happy you have mellowed as we had one or two spats over the years and I did find you a tad odd. Wisdom comes with age and experience of life. 1 hr · Like Pamela Gurney It was dreadfully sad about Brenda Leyland but I think she had deeper issues in her life, which, when she was doorstepped, may have tipped the scales. 1 hr · Like
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